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13 things that do not make sense in science

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    13 things that do not make sense
    19 March 2005
    NewScientist.com news service
    Michael Brooks

    1 The placebo effect

    DON'T try this at home. Several times a day, for several days, you induce pain in someone. You control the pain with morphine until the final day of the experiment, when you replace the morphine with saline solution. Guess what? The saline takes the pain away.

    This is the placebo effect: somehow, sometimes, a whole lot of nothing can be very powerful. Except it's not quite nothing. When Fabrizio Benedetti of the University of Turin in Italy carried out the above experiment, he added a final twist by adding naloxone, a drug that blocks the effects of morphine, to the saline. The shocking result? The pain-relieving power of saline solution disappeared.

    So what is going on? Doctors have known about the placebo effect for decades, and the naloxone result seems to show that the placebo effect is somehow biochemical. But apart from that, we simply don't know.

    Benedetti has since shown that a saline placebo can also reduce tremors and muscle stiffness in people with Parkinson's disease (Nature Neuroscience, vol 7, p 587). He and his team measured the activity of neurons in the patients' brains as they administered the saline. They found that individual neurons in the subthalamic nucleus (a common target for surgical attempts to relieve Parkinson's symptoms) began to fire less often when the saline was given, and with fewer "bursts" of firing - another feature associated with Parkinson's. The neuron activity decreased at the same time as the symptoms improved: the saline was definitely doing something.

    We have a lot to learn about what is happening here, Benedetti says, but one thing is clear: the mind can affect the body's biochemistry. "The relationship between expectation and therapeutic outcome is a wonderful model to understand mind-body interaction," he says. Researchers now need to identify when and where placebo works. There may be diseases in which it has no effect. There may be a common mechanism in different illnesses. As yet, we just don't know.

    2 The horizon problem

    OUR universe appears to be unfathomably uniform. Look across space from one edge of the visible universe to the other, and you'll see that the microwave background radiation filling the cosmos is at the same temperature everywhere. That may not seem surprising until you consider that the two edges are nearly 28 billion light years apart and our universe is only 14 billion years old.

    Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, so there is no way heat radiation could have travelled between the two horizons to even out the hot and cold spots created in the big bang and leave the thermal equilibrium we see now.

    This "horizon problem" is a big headache for cosmologists, so big that they have come up with some pretty wild solutions. "Inflation", for example.

    You can solve the horizon problem by having the universe expand ultra-fast for a time, just after the big bang, blowing up by a factor of 1050 in 10-33 seconds. But is that just wishful thinking? "Inflation would be an explanation if it occurred," says University of Cambridge astronomer Martin Rees. The trouble is that no one knows what could have made that happen.

    So, in effect, inflation solves one mystery only to invoke another. A variation in the speed of light could also solve the horizon problem - but this too is impotent in the face of the question "why?" In scientific terms, the uniform temperature of the background radiation remains an anomaly.

    3 Ultra-energetic cosmic rays

    FOR more than a decade, physicists in Japan have been seeing cosmic rays that should not exist. Cosmic rays are particles - mostly protons but sometimes heavy atomic nuclei - that travel through the universe at close to the speed of light. Some cosmic rays detected on Earth are produced in violent events such as supernovae, but we still don't know the origins of the highest-energy particles, which are the most energetic particles ever seen in nature. But that's not the real mystery.

    As cosmic-ray particles travel through space, they lose energy in collisions with the low-energy photons that pervade the universe, such as those of the cosmic microwave background radiation. Einstein's special theory of relativity dictates that any cosmic rays reaching Earth from a source outside our galaxy will have suffered so many energy-shedding collisions that their maximum possible energy is 5 × 1019 electronvolts. This is known as the Greisen-Zatsepin-Kuzmin limit.

    Over the past decade, however, the University of Tokyo's Akeno Giant Air Shower Array - 111 particle detectors spread out over 100 square kilometres - has detected several cosmic rays above the GZK limit. In theory, they can only have come from within our galaxy, avoiding an energy-sapping journey across the cosmos. However, astronomers can find no source for these cosmic rays in our galaxy. So what is going on?

    One possibility is that there is something wrong with the Akeno results. Another is that Einstein was wrong. His special theory of relativity says that space is the same in all directions, but what if particles found it easier to move in certain directions? Then the cosmic rays could retain more of their energy, allowing them to beat the GZK limit.

    Physicists at the Pierre Auger experiment in Mendoza, Argentina, are now working on this problem. Using 1600 detectors spread over 3000 square kilometres, Auger should be able to determine the energies of incoming cosmic rays and shed more light on the Akeno results.

    Alan Watson, an astronomer at the University of Leeds, UK, and spokesman for the Pierre Auger project, is already convinced there is something worth following up here. "I have no doubts that events above 1020 electronvolts exist. There are sufficient examples to convince me," he says. The question now is, what are they? How many of these particles are coming in, and what direction are they coming from? Until we get that information, there's no telling how exotic the true explanation could be.

    4 Belfast homeopathy results

    MADELEINE Ennis, a pharmacologist at Queen's University, Belfast, was the scourge of homeopathy. She railed against its claims that a chemical remedy could be diluted to the point where a sample was unlikely to contain a single molecule of anything but water, and yet still have a healing effect. Until, that is, she set out to prove once and for all that homeopathy was bunkum.

    In her most recent paper, Ennis describes how her team looked at the effects of ultra-dilute solutions of histamine on human white blood cells involved in inflammation. These "basophils" release histamine when the cells are under attack. Once released, the histamine stops them releasing any more. The study, replicated in four different labs, found that homeopathic solutions - so dilute that they probably didn't contain a single histamine molecule - worked just like histamine. Ennis might not be happy with the homeopaths' claims, but she admits that an effect cannot be ruled out.

    So how could it happen? Homeopaths prepare their remedies by dissolving things like charcoal, deadly nightshade or spider venom in ethanol, and then diluting this "mother tincture" in water again and again. No matter what the level of dilution, homeopaths claim, the original remedy leaves some kind of imprint on the water molecules. Thus, however dilute the solution becomes, it is still imbued with the properties of the remedy.

    You can understand why Ennis remains sceptical. And it remains true that no homeopathic remedy has ever been shown to work in a large randomised placebo-controlled clinical trial. But the Belfast study (Inflammation Research, vol 53, p 181) suggests that something is going on. "We are," Ennis says in her paper, "unable to explain our findings and are reporting them to encourage others to investigate this phenomenon." If the results turn out to be real, she says, the implications are profound: we may have to rewrite physics and chemistry.

    5 Dark matter

    TAKE our best understanding of gravity, apply it to the way galaxies spin, and you'll quickly see the problem: the galaxies should be falling apart. Galactic matter orbits around a central point because its mutual gravitational attraction creates centripetal forces. But there is not enough mass in the galaxies to produce the observed spin.

    Vera Rubin, an astronomer working at the Carnegie Institution's department of terrestrial magnetism in Washington DC, spotted this anomaly in the late 1970s. The best response from physicists was to suggest there is more stuff out there than we can see. The trouble was, nobody could explain what this "dark matter" was.

    And they still can't. Although researchers have made many suggestions about what kind of particles might make up dark matter, there is no consensus. It's an embarrassing hole in our understanding. Astronomical observations suggest that dark matter must make up about 90 per cent of the mass in the universe, yet we are astonishingly ignorant what that 90 per cent is.

    Maybe we can't work out what dark matter is because it doesn't actually exist. That's certainly the way Rubin would like it to turn out. "If I could have my pick, I would like to learn that Newton's laws must be modified in order to correctly describe gravitational interactions at large distances," she says. "That's more appealing than a universe filled with a new kind of sub-nuclear particle."

    6 Viking's methane

    JULY 20, 1976. Gilbert Levin is on the edge of his seat. Millions of kilometres away on Mars, the Viking landers have scooped up some soil and mixed it with carbon-14-labelled nutrients. The mission's scientists have all agreed that if Levin's instruments on board the landers detect emissions of carbon-14-containing methane from the soil, then there must be life on Mars.

    Viking reports a positive result. Something is ingesting the nutrients, metabolising them, and then belching out gas laced with carbon-14.
    So why no party?

    Because another instrument, designed to identify organic molecules considered essential signs of life, found nothing. Almost all the mission scientists erred on the side of caution and declared Viking's discovery a false positive. But was it?

    The arguments continue to rage, but results from NASA's latest rovers show that the surface of Mars was almost certainly wet in the past and therefore hospitable to life. And there is plenty more evidence where that came from, Levin says. "Every mission to Mars has produced evidence supporting my conclusion. None has contradicted it."

    Levin stands by his claim, and he is no longer alone. Joe Miller, a cell biologist at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, has re-analysed the data and he thinks that the emissions show evidence of a circadian cycle. That is highly suggestive of life.

    Levin is petitioning ESA and NASA to fly a modified version of his mission to look for "chiral" molecules. These come in left or right-handed versions: they are mirror images of each other. While biological processes tend to produce molecules that favour one chirality over the other, non-living processes create left and right-handed versions in equal numbers. If a future mission to Mars were to find that Martian "metabolism" also prefers one chiral form of a molecule to the other, that would be the best indication yet of life on Mars.

    7 Tetraneutrons

    FOUR years ago, a particle accelerator in France detected six particles that should not exist. They are called tetraneutrons: four neutrons that are bound together in a way that defies the laws of physics.

    Francisco Miguel Marquès and colleagues at the Ganil accelerator in Caen are now gearing up to do it again. If they succeed, these clusters may oblige us to rethink the forces that hold atomic nuclei together.

    The team fired beryllium nuclei at a small carbon target and analysed the debris that shot into surrounding particle detectors. They expected to see evidence for four separate neutrons hitting their detectors. Instead the Ganil team found just one flash of light in one detector. And the energy of this flash suggested that four neutrons were arriving together at the detector. Of course, their finding could have been an accident: four neutrons might just have arrived in the same place at the same time by coincidence. But that's ridiculously improbable.

    Not as improbable as tetraneutrons, some might say, because in the standard model of particle physics tetraneutrons simply can't exist. According to the Pauli exclusion principle, not even two protons or neutrons in the same system can have identical quantum properties. In fact, the strong nuclear force that would hold them together is tuned in such a way that it can't even hold two lone neutrons together, let alone four. Marquès and his team were so bemused by their result that they buried the data in a research paper that was ostensibly about the possibility of finding tetraneutrons in the future (Physical Review C, vol 65, p 44006).

    And there are still more compelling reasons to doubt the existence of tetraneutrons. If you tweak the laws of physics to allow four neutrons to bind together, all kinds of chaos ensues (Journal of Physics G, vol 29, L9). It would mean that the mix of elements formed after the big bang was inconsistent with what we now observe and, even worse, the elements formed would have quickly become far too heavy for the cosmos to cope. "Maybe the universe would have collapsed before it had any chance to expand," says Natalia Timofeyuk, a theorist at the University of Surrey in Guildford, UK.

    There are, however, a couple of holes in this reasoning. Established theory does allow the tetraneutron to exist - though only as a ridiculously short-lived particle. "This could be a reason for four neutrons hitting the Ganil detectors simultaneously," Timofeyuk says. And there is other evidence that supports the idea of matter composed of multiple neutrons: neutron stars. These bodies, which contain an enormous number of bound neutrons, suggest that as yet unexplained forces come into play when neutrons gather en masse.

    8 The Pioneer anomaly

    THIS is a tale of two spacecraft. Pioneer 10 was launched in 1972; Pioneer 11 a year later. By now both craft should be drifting off into deep space with no one watching. However, their trajectories have proved far too fascinating to ignore.

    That's because something has been pulling - or pushing - on them, causing them to speed up. The resulting acceleration is tiny, less than a nanometre per second per second. That's equivalent to just one ten-billionth of the gravity at Earth's surface, but it is enough to have shifted Pioneer 10 some 400,000 kilometres off track. NASA lost touch with Pioneer 11 in 1995, but up to that point it was experiencing exactly the same deviation as its sister probe. So what is causing it?

    Nobody knows. Some possible explanations have already been ruled out, including software errors, the solar wind or a fuel leak. If the cause is some gravitational effect, it is not one we know anything about. In fact, physicists are so completely at a loss that some have resorted to linking this mystery with other inexplicable phenomena.

    Bruce Bassett of the University of Portsmouth, UK, has suggested that the Pioneer conundrum might have something to do with variations in alpha, the fine structure constant (see "Not so constant constants", page 37). Others have talked about it as arising from dark matter - but since we don't know what dark matter is, that doesn't help much either. "This is all so maddeningly intriguing," says Michael Martin Nieto of the Los Alamos National Laboratory. "We only have proposals, none of which has been demonstrated."

    Nieto has called for a new analysis of the early trajectory data from the craft, which he says might yield fresh clues. But to get to the bottom of the problem what scientists really need is a mission designed specifically to test unusual gravitational effects in the outer reaches of the solar system. Such a probe would cost between $300 million and $500 million and could piggyback on a future mission to the outer reaches of the solar system (www.arxiv.org/gr-qc/0411077).

    "An explanation will be found eventually," Nieto says. "Of course I hope it is due to new physics - how stupendous that would be. But once a physicist starts working on the basis of hope he is heading for a fall." Disappointing as it may seem, Nieto thinks the explanation for the Pioneer anomaly will eventually be found in some mundane effect, such as an unnoticed source of heat on board the craft.

    9 Dark energy

    IT IS one of the most famous, and most embarrassing, problems in physics. In 1998, astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at ever faster speeds. It's an effect still searching for a cause - until then, everyone thought the universe's expansion was slowing down after the big bang. "Theorists are still floundering around, looking for a sensible explanation," says cosmologist Katherine Freese of the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. "We're all hoping that upcoming observations of supernovae, of clusters of galaxies and so on will give us more clues."

    One suggestion is that some property of empty space is responsible - cosmologists call it dark energy. But all attempts to pin it down have fallen woefully short. It's also possible that Einstein's theory of general relativity may need to be tweaked when applied to the very largest scales of the universe. "The field is still wide open," Freese says.

    10 The Kuiper cliff

    IF YOU travel out to the far edge of the solar system, into the frigid wastes beyond Pluto, you'll see something strange. Suddenly, after passing through the Kuiper belt, a region of space teeming with icy rocks, there's nothing.

    Astronomers call this boundary the Kuiper cliff, because the density of space rocks drops off so steeply. What caused it? The only answer seems to be a 10th planet. We're not talking about Quaoar or Sedna: this is a massive object, as big as Earth or Mars, that has swept the area clean of debris.

    The evidence for the existence of "Planet X" is compelling, says Alan Stern, an astronomer at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado. But although calculations show that such a body could account for the Kuiper cliff (Icarus, vol 160, p 32), no one has ever seen this fabled 10th planet.

    There's a good reason for that. The Kuiper belt is just too far away for us to get a decent view. We need to get out there and have a look before we can say anything about the region. And that won't be possible for another decade, at least. NASA's New Horizons probe, which will head out to Pluto and the Kuiper belt, is scheduled for launch in January 2006. It won't reach Pluto until 2015, so if you are looking for an explanation of the vast, empty gulf of the Kuiper cliff, watch this space.

    11 The Wow signal

    IT WAS 37 seconds long and came from outer space. On 15 August 1977 it caused astronomer Jerry Ehman, then of Ohio State University in Columbus, to scrawl "Wow!" on the printout from Big Ear, Ohio State's radio telescope in Delaware. And 28 years later no one knows what created the signal. "I am still waiting for a definitive explanation that makes sense," Ehman says.

    Coming from the direction of Sagittarius, the pulse of radiation was confined to a narrow range of radio frequencies around 1420 megahertz. This frequency is in a part of the radio spectrum in which all transmissions are prohibited by international agreement. Natural sources of radiation, such as the thermal emissions from planets, usually cover a much broader sweep of frequencies. So what caused it?

    The nearest star in that direction is 220 light years away. If that is where is came from, it would have had to be a pretty powerful astronomical event - or an advanced alien civilisation using an astonishingly large and powerful transmitter.

    The fact that hundreds of sweeps over the same patch of sky have found nothing like the Wow signal doesn't mean it's not aliens. When you consider the fact that the Big Ear telescope covers only one-millionth of the sky at any time, and an alien transmitter would also likely beam out over the same fraction of sky, the chances of spotting the signal again are remote, to say the least.

    Others think there must be a mundane explanation. Dan Wertheimer, chief scientist for the SETI@home project, says the Wow signal was almost certainly pollution: radio-frequency interference from Earth-based transmissions. "We've seen many signals like this, and these sorts of signals have always turned out to be interference," he says. The debate continues.

    12 Not-so-constant constants

    IN 1997 astronomer John Webb and his team at the University of New South Wales in Sydney analysed the light reaching Earth from distant quasars. On its 12-billion-year journey, the light had passed through interstellar clouds of metals such as iron, nickel and chromium, and the researchers found these atoms had absorbed some of the photons of quasar light - but not the ones they were expecting.

    If the observations are correct, the only vaguely reasonable explanation is that a constant of physics called the fine structure constant, or alpha, had a different value at the time the light passed through the clouds.

    But that's heresy. Alpha is an extremely important constant that determines how light interacts with matter - and it shouldn't be able to change. Its value depends on, among other things, the charge on the electron, the speed of light and Planck's constant. Could one of these really have changed?

    No one in physics wanted to believe the measurements. Webb and his team have been trying for years to find an error in their results. But so far they have failed.

    Webb's are not the only results that suggest something is missing from our understanding of alpha. A recent analysis of the only known natural nuclear reactor, which was active nearly 2 billion years ago at what is now Oklo in Gabon, also suggests something about light's interaction with matter has changed.

    The ratio of certain radioactive isotopes produced within such a reactor depends on alpha, and so looking at the fission products left behind in the ground at Oklo provides a way to work out the value of the constant at the time of their formation. Using this method, Steve Lamoreaux and his colleagues at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico suggest that alpha may have decreased by more than 4 per cent since Oklo started up (Physical Review D, vol 69, p 121701).

    There are gainsayers who still dispute any change in alpha. Patrick Petitjean, an astronomer at the Institute of Astrophysics in Paris, led a team that analysed quasar light picked up by the Very Large Telescope (VLT) in Chile and found no evidence that alpha has changed. But Webb, who is now looking at the VLT measurements, says that they require a more complex analysis than Petitjean's team has carried out. Webb's group is working on that now, and may be in a position to declare the anomaly resolved - or not - later this year.

    "It's difficult to say how long it's going to take," says team member Michael Murphy of the University of Cambridge. "The more we look at these new data, the more difficulties we see." But whatever the answer, the work will still be valuable. An analysis of the way light passes through distant molecular clouds will reveal more about how the elements were produced early in the universe's history.

    13 Cold fusion

    AFTER 16 years, it's back. In fact, cold fusion never really went away. Over a 10-year period from 1989, US navy labs ran more than 200 experiments to investigate whether nuclear reactions generating more energy than they consume - supposedly only possible inside stars - can occur at room temperature. Numerous researchers have since pronounced themselves believers.

    With controllable cold fusion, many of the world's energy problems would melt away: no wonder the US Department of Energy is interested. In December, after a lengthy review of the evidence, it said it was open to receiving proposals for new cold fusion experiments.

    That's quite a turnaround. The DoE's first report on the subject, published 15 years ago, concluded that the original cold fusion results, produced by Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons of the University of Utah and unveiled at a press conference in 1989, were impossible to reproduce, and thus probably false.

    The basic claim of cold fusion is that dunking palladium electrodes into heavy water - in which oxygen is combined with the hydrogen isotope deuterium - can release a large amount of energy. Placing a voltage across the electrodes supposedly allows deuterium nuclei to move into palladium's molecular lattice, enabling them to overcome their natural repulsion and fuse together, releasing a blast of energy. The snag is that fusion at room temperature is deemed impossible by every accepted scientific theory.

    That doesn't matter, according to David Nagel, an engineer at George Washington University in Washington DC. Superconductors took 40 years to explain, he points out, so there's no reason to dismiss cold fusion. "The experimental case is bulletproof," he says. "You can't make it go away."
     
  2. PhiSlammaJamma

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    1. Don't know. It doesn't make sense. But if you assume that a series of neural connections produces said outcome of healing then all you need to do is fire up that series of neurons for the effect. So if a series of neurons are firing because the initial pain medication induced them to fire, then you could conceivably argue that the series of neurons is still firing with or without the placebo. They have already been indiced to fire. Once you open up that electric connection it would be easier to fire it up again with something as simple as a saline solution. Not sure tho'. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
    2. I'm not that familiar with inflation, but I'd suggest that universe migrates in two directions as opposed to the suggested big bang. The migration I describe causes the universe to have a middle and two ends. The ends would have relatively the same temperature. The middle not so much. But, after that migration, I would suggest that the universe recondenses/recombines for long periods of time and creates a homogenous mess that distributes the temperature evenly. I don't think you can look at it as a beggiing and end so much as you should look at it as an ongoing process. When the temperature changes the universe migrates. When it doesn't, you have homogeny.
    3. Dont know much about this, but given the migration I have described above, you have periods where the universe has an empty middle ground that could explain the unhindered transmission of these cosmic rays into or from within the universe.
    4. No idea, I think a more interesting experiment would be to use a different diluent. Since water makes up 98% of life you have got to figure that it's healing properties are significant. It's ability to adapt significant. Not sure if there is something physical going on between the molecules, but would not rule it out, given the significance water plays in life. So examining effect of a different diluent may be significant.
    5. I don't think there is any dark matter, I simply believe the universe nmigrates. In order to migrate there has to be a composition change somewhere that causes that migration. So my belieif is not so much that the universe is bound together by some graviational property as much as it guided by some kind of changing physical property.
    6. No idea.
    7. Absolutely no knowledge in this area, but if the tetraneutrons bind together, they must be pushing protrons all over the place, and if that is happening you may be causing the physical property changes required for the migration of the universe I described above. Not sure. I'm unfamilair with the impact netrons have. However it wuold seem their existence causes severe physical the ionic changes. Possibly temperature changes.
    8. No idea.
    9. seems awful related to dark matter. I do believe the universe is flat, although at times I question whether it's shape changes with the changing temperatures in neutrons and neutron stars. Perhaps those temperature changes by the star, or caused by the formation those stars, stabilizes or destabilizes the structure of the universe. So at any given time it could be flat or twisted based on the formations or activity of neutrons.
    10. Seems to me most the rocks wouls have formed the solar system. I see no grand cexplanation here of an additiional planet. If it exists. It's got to be awful small and irrevelant.
    11. No idea. Seems pretty random and I'm not one to believe that random events have significant relevance in the universe or solar system.
    12. Not sure. Don't seem to care either.
    13. Not sure, but I am a big believer that temperature plays a key role on the atomic level and at the higher levels of structure for the whole universe. So it would not surpise me that such reactions are probable. In fact, I would go as far as to say that such reactions could go a long way as far as explaining what happens beyond the solar system as we know it. These changes in physical properties due to temperature are the key to everything.
     
  3. Dubious

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    I'm just an uneducated layman but I've got this germ of an idea about the accelerating expansion of the universe. The laws of Entropy tell us matter will tend to migrate from higher concentrations to lower ones. The matter from the big bang within the known universe, even though incredibly diluted is still at a higher concentration than the nothingness of the empty space that surrounds it. So the acceleration of matter might not be the effect of a positive force from within the known universe at all but of a negative force from the surrounding emptiness.


    Yes, that's right, empty space sucks.
     
  4. MadMax

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    no mention about how they get the little ships in those bottles?
     
  5. Dubious

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    Some things are so mystical that they can only be explained as the result of God.
     
  6. MadMax

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    yeah...i clearly see the beauty of the Creator in those little trinkets. :)
     
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    Unfortunately, after reading this thread I'm confused for the day.

    Perhaps I should just go home and do yard work.
     
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    No kidding. It's the day after St. Patty's. I'm not in the mood to think.
     
  9. PhiSlammaJamma

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    We are all uneducated layman just having fun. Seems plausible. In that scenario it seems the universe would be trying to stabilize itself by spreading molecules into less concentrated areas. If there was no end to the universe it would continually expand and diffuse. Dulting itself. If there was a boundary you'd actually have elements of the universe flowing down some kind of concentration gradient or flow pattern. There would be all kinds of interesting things happening in that flow process. The latter seems more likely to me as the universe appears to be in constant motion. But one would have to ask why. Tough thing to do. And that is where I often run into trouble. It seems in concentration scenario you created there is little expenditure of energy. Things just flow and stabilize. So there is no control or purpose attached to the event. I'm a big believer that things are happening not only for a reason, but with a purpose or function, and so energy must be expended somewhere in my thought process. If the diffusion was some kind of active transport of the molecules to areas of lower concentration I'd get a little more excited. Blackholes would seem to fit that mold as they can transport matter easily and effectivley. Although I think black holes havea lisghly different use. Good thought on your part. I'm on a slightly different, but similar path, as you are.
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    Lots of intersting stuff thanks for posting this.

    I was thinking that a few of these mysteries actually are explained by each other, such as dark energy contributing to inflation and the eveness of temperature throughout the universe.

    I'm wondering if homeopathy is also explained by the placebo effect. I wasn't clear on how the homeopathy study was done if it was just on a cell culture or on cells in a whole system. The problem I have with a homeopathic effect is that if it exist how could you count on any biological reaction not being affected by residual homeopathic traces in water molecules. For instance if you were doing an experiment where you placed cells in a water based solution how would you know that the cells weren't reacting to a homeopathic traces left in the water rather than to the agent you deliberatley left in the water.

    For the Pioneer anomaly I'm wondering if the same thing has been happening to the Voyager space crafts. If they are then that might go a long way to explaining if this really is an anomaly in the distant reaches of the Solar System or just something overlooked in the design of the Pioneer spacecrafts.

    Finally for cold fusion I wrote a paper about it in Grad school about 10 years ago looking over the research on it since Pons and Fleischman's experiment. Even then it seemed like there really might've been something there. One idea that seemed very interesting was that it wasn't just the palladium crystalline lattice that squeezed the deuterium together but also that the lattice was capturing particles called muons from cosmic radiation and that the muons would help fuse the deuterium nuclei together. I haven't studied anything about cold fusion since but it would be pretty interesting to see what's going on with it.

    On a side note I remember reading that we're getting close to doing hot fusion reactions that get more energy out than put in using lasers and high energy magnetic fields.
     
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    How does your migration theory work with observed expansion of the Universe equally in all directions? Are you also suggesting that the Universe migrates in stops and starts so there are periods of migration and periods where the Universe is essentially static?
     
  12. Dubious

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    The purpose would be to satisfy Entropy. It would take the ultimate point of concentration, the singularity of all matter before the big bang to the point of ultimate chaos (stability) where all matter is evenly distributed or atleast infinitly diluted since I guess there is by definition there is no end to nothingness.

    So the big bang could really be the big suck.

    I tried calling Steven Hawking about it but when I told the secretary "tell him the universe sucks" she just cussed at me and hung up.
     
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    An interesting idea. This idea presumes that what is beyond the Universe is emptiness and that what is beyond obeys the laws that we have in the known Universe. The other question I have is how does dilution overcome gravity? It would seem to me that there would have to be some amount of inflation to get the matter and energy diffuse enough to allow dilution to overcome gravity. Also given that the expansion of the Universe appears to be accelerating if what's outside the Universe is uniform emptiness wouldn't the dilution be occuring at a uniform pace?
     
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    If the tendecy to coalesce is "gravity" and the tendency to diffuse is "anti-gravity' as the universe expands gravity weakens and is overtaken by anti-gravity and the expansion would accelerate. And since matter is finite and nothiningness is infinite the move toward dilution (Entropy) is inexorable.
     
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    Tough question to answer given our limited perspective. But If the universe is a ball of dough and the galaxies are the raisins in that dough, then expansion means that the raisins are contantly getting further apart in all three dimensions. They spread out in the dough.

    In my universe. When temperatures rise the raisins move to either end of the dough. The Dough will begin to thin out near the center and balloon at the edges. As temperatures cool, the collected mass of raisins spread out. It is at this point that the perceived expansion of the universe occurs. You basically have a collected mass of raisins moving outward in all three directions. At some point the raisins become spread out and static. This period is very brief. And then the temperature rises and the raisins move toward the polar regions of the dough once again.

    I don't know that I can fit any one given theory into the model, but I believe that is what happens. Because of relativity ( think of us like an ant on that dough) this migration will be imperceptible and the observable universe will appear flat.
     
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    PhiSlammaJamma;

    Interesting theory.

    Under your theory is the size of the Universe fixed and its the distribution of matter and energy that changes? Also when you talk about the temperature rising and the raisins clumping at the edges while it thins in the middle does this mean that there are periods where matter and energy will clump at the extremes while forming empty areas? Under that situation is the relative evenness of matter and energy throughout the Universe now that we are in cooling phase of the Universe?
     
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    Dubious;

    In that case then do you accept that there was an early expansive phase of the Universe to get past the point where gravity would dominate or is the dilutive tendency stronger and would this mean that at some point all matter and energy will dilute to practically nothingness?
     
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    Yes. Matter and energy are being redistributed toward the two poles in that situation. Just as you describe. And yes, they would clump there. The area of the universe remains relatively constant, but it's shape has changed at this stage. It would look like the dough had been stretched at the center. The stretched area would be quite vacant. In other words you wouldn't find any raisins there for a long time.

    I would place us currently at 28 billion years past clumping. The universe is cooling and spreading out. The raisins are spreading out. This would explain the eveness of matter and energy, tho' I could not possibly understand where in the timeline of events we are. We could be closer to clumping or closer to the static point. Not sure. But I would definately put the earth into the cooling stage of my model. At what point in that timeline we begin to heat up and migrate I have no idea.
     
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    I've always wanted to know how all those little people got in my TV.
     
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    I can answer that one. Wonka vision.
     

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