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#1 Nauseating Excuse for Not Passing the Ball to Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by beyao, Jan 6, 2005.

  1. beyao

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    I'm so tired of people soley blaming Yao and not demanding better of the rest of the team and the coaching staff for why he doesn't get enough passes.

    We surely need to demand better of Yao as well, and I will address that, but this team IMHO is not facilitating his growth as a player in any way by not making more of an effort to get him the ball, especially considering how hard Yao is working to establish good position. It'd be one thing if he was a loaf like Eddy Curry, but he's not...he works his arse off in the trenches every game.

    Importantly, he has gotten much better this season at driving his man beneath the basket and getting good position...Do you know how difficult it is to drive a defender, whose sole defensive purpose is to push and knee you as far away from the basket as possible, all the way down to the basket area? If not, try it some time... Quite frankly, it requires pure physical domination of your man, that's why very few people can do it. Yao has done it consistently this season, but all too often does not receive the ball in a timely manner, if at all.

    The main excuses I hear for why we're not passing to him are "he's too passive, he doesn't seal his man well enough, he doesn't DEMAND the ball."

    The last complaint is quite frankly ridiculous...Do any of you see how hard he fights for good position? Do you think he's battling down there just for the workout? Does he really need to manhandle his defender all the way to the basket area and then say "Hey, pass me the ball"?

    Look, Yao does not possess the extraodinary upperbody strength of a Hakeem or Shaq to hold off his man indefinately...he's more along the lines of a Ilgauskas or Vlade, nor does he possess the agility of a Ewing or Olajuwon...the thing he CAN do, possibly better than any of the aforementioned centers (sans Shaq), is drive his man deep under the basket for great position and hold him off for a limited time...THIS REQUIRES HIS TEAMMATES TO BE VIGIL and his coaching staff to instill the importance of getting him the ball when he is open.

    Yao is certainly too passive when it comes to shooting the ball and looking to attack immediately - I wish he'd be more like Amare in this regard and have the singlemindedness to just ATTACK...but that's the Yao we have...the cerebral player who likes to utilize his teammates and think strategically. At this point in his career, I think this mindset is a detriment to his game

    But he hasn't been passive when it comes to battling for good position...in fact he's been more of a bull in the paint this season, moving around 250lb defenders as if they were chess pieces.

    Bottomline is that we need to get him more touches to the point where he is putting up 18-20 shots a game...TMac can get his 25 regardless as he's the freelancer...if we want to have a true 1-2 punch as Shaq is used to saying, we must make it a priortity to feed the Big Dog.
     
  2. hikanoo49

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    we shot 8-26 in 3s last night.

    it would be interesting to see from games prior the correlation between the two

    bottom line..

    , if we dont hit our outside shots, it will be very difficult for Yao to get good looks with our current offensive scheme
     
  3. beyao

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    It's true that we'd have more post opportunities if we also hit more treys, but I still see several plays a game (even the ones where we aren't hitting from outside) where we simply miss Yao when he has deep position and the entry passer should easily be able to dump it down.

    I love the phrase "throw it down, big man!" but there should be another one for the passers..."dump it down, little man!"
     
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  4. Daddy

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    yao either wants it or he doesnt. if he WANTS it, he will get it. if he doesnt, then ...eh?? if i was working so hard for something i wanted, and people kept ignoring my efforts, and i felt like i was doing them for nothing, do you know how P!SSED i would be?? there would be a boiling point where i had enough and i HAD to say something. either someone has a lack of respect for me, or i dont deserve it. as far as im concerned, if yao WANTS it like you imply he does and isnt tired of this after 3 years, and he hasnt sounded off about it, then he doesnt WANT it. and we arent going to give him an entire nba franchise if he doesnt WANT it.

    you all talk like it is the teams job to convince him of what he can do. you act like jeff van gundy is supposed to take his hand, and if he forces him to the front, that he will start to lead. you all act like the fact that yao knows the path, but doesnt walk the path is the teams fault. like all the fans and media havent said enough to make him feel worthy of dominating and TAKING this team.

    over the past 3 years we have been saying basically the same thing about yao. he has improved, but he doenst get the ball even when he appears to be open. and we all wonder why 3 years, 2 coaches and 20 different teammates havent answered this. since pat ewings shot attempts at the end of his career with jvg was coach were still 19, 17, 15, 15 and 13, it cant be the system. so it can only be one of 3 things.

    1. miami and san antonio beat us to every single player who knows how to pass to the post.

    2. jeff van gundy and the rockets organization doesnt like chinese guys, so intentionally doesnt give him the ball.

    or

    3. standing floor level trying to pass over guys that are 6'6, with a center who seals a guy one minute, and loses him the next is much more tougher to pass to than a tv camera at an elevated level shows us. and maybe they arent going to pass to yao consistantly untill he gets total control of the post and seals his defender so that easy passes can be made to him.

    remember, part of a superstars job is to make it easier for the less talented.

    thats just my idea.
     
  5. beyao

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    This is what I'm afraid of...you don't know at all Yao if you really think he's going to publicly complain about the offense or his lack of touches...he's not in China and doesn't feel comfortable about complaining in this foreign environment...

    What he IS more likely to do is stealthly explore and ponder his options with other teams that he thinks would better fit his style - i.e., Sactown, LA with Rudy (maybe)...this is much more likely the route that Yao would take since it doesn't require him overtly objecting about anything.

    At this rate, my fear is that we have Yao will sign a 1-yr deal with us this summer, and then some other team will benefit from his prime years.
     
  6. Jeff

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    Actually, in the NBA, yes, he does have to say it. You may not like it. Yao may not understand it. But, in this league, you have to demand the ball when you want it or you won't get it. That's what all the greats have done and continue to do. If you don't get the ball to them, they take your head off in the huddle. Period.
     
  7. YallMean

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    Bad is difficult to learn, Yao needs to work on being bad. :D
    I think it's up to Yao to get the ball. You know Gundy is on his side, and teammates know how skilled he is. He has to ask for it.
     
  8. Daddy

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    i have to say, that he wont get it untill he asks for it. maybe jvg is planning it that way. maybe he doesnt believe in telling you your a star, maybe he wants you to believe it first. ???

    i can tell you that they arent going to just give him the ball more than they are now if he doenst want it. and personally, i dont blame van gundy. you either fight for what you want, or you take a seat. its like grounding your kids to their room untill they say their sorry and mean it. they have served more than the time justifed for the punishment, yet the key to freedom and to learning an invaluable lesson is 2 little words. you can tell them over and over again, but sometimes words arent enough.
     
  9. beyao

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    agreed, it would be nice if he did call for it, but the overiding point is that the rest of the team should simply be more alert, and looking to pass to him more often...Yao is never going to "take a teammate's head off", much as we'd love him to, at least not at this point in his career, and especially not to a teammate that's older and been in the NBA longer than him.

    I come back to the point that Yao battles harder than anyone to get good position, so it's on the coaching staff to instill it in the team that Yao is our biggest mismatch, and that ANYTIME he is open in the lane, our offense be geared towards getting him the ball...then if it's not there go to another option.
     
  10. Blatz

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    Wow

    Two coaches, multiple back courts and other new players and he still can't get the ball............
     
  11. beyao

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    If that's VG's stubborn attitude, then I have to say he doesn't belong as our coach because Yao thrives on positive motivation, like it or not. As talented as Yao is, he will not reach his full potential until his coach gives him that initial vote of confidence...many young players are like this.

    If it's a choice between VG and Yao, I think you know where my preference lies.
     
  12. Jeff

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    You are telling me what SHOULD be.

    I'm telling you what IS.

    Guys don't give up the ball in this league without motivation from the coach, their teammates and, most importantly, the person calling for the rock. This is particularly true of players like Yao who dominate in the post because the guys who pass it in are less likely to see it back from someone who shoots 50+ percent when he puts up a shot.

    This is a game that is predicated on the agressiveness of its stars. You can gear an offense in one direction all you like, but the star doesn't get the recoginition from his teammates, his coaching staff, the referees or the league unless he is willing to go in there and demand the ball and punish people. No superstar in this league got there by being gentle and friendly and following orders. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Olajuwon, Jabbar...they all got in their spot and told their guys to get them the ball or else.

    Yao will have to learn if he is ever to become that kind of star in this league. If he wants the respect from his players and the league, he has to demand it. That is just the way it is, like it or not.
     
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    he got the ball, it just wasn't enough.
     
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    Wow

    Two coaches, multiple back courts and other new players and he still can't get the ball enough............?
     
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    You can make the same case for a lot of bigs in this league including Shaq. That C spot is difficult to master.
    What happened to our cutters by the way?
     
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    i thought v the Suns especially in the second half he was certainyl sealing his player really well and really deep and certainly looked like he was demanding the ball, but they just didn't give it to him enough
     
  17. stevenzh

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    Agree it or not, most nba player are selfish, young player wants better stats for their future, and old players, wait a second, rockets have tons of old guards, how come they don't like to pass, maybe they want more retirement pension.
     
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    Last year, there was a period of time when Yao was scoring in bunches and everyone bought into the system. Think of that overtime game against Phoenix last year. Yeah we still lost but we put up a great fight and Yao was kicking ass, dropping hook shots over Amare at will. For some reason, no one believes in investing in that same system this year, perhaps not even Yao.
     
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    90% chance Yao will get the ball after each time out, but a couple of play later, things turn into usual, no ball for yao, i believe it's nothing to do with coach, it's player's selfishness.
     
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    Pootrick Yawning is soft and it's rubbing off on Yao.
     

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