Let's be real He can go ANYWHERE he wants Why do people think we are major playa in the Webber Lotto? I just do not see it. We will nut up on any deal that comes up for a 10% chance at webber? You not satisfied with the Team as it is BUT if we lose the Webber Lotto it will be the same next year minus Dream Plus a Rookie or two. I know Webber is worth it but waiting on the Lotto Is not sound advice. I say If we can improve now. . . .The summer will take care of itself. 1. If we *CAN* do a deal for SAR We the same + SAR + rookies - dream 2. If we wait and Loose Webber We the Same + rookies who probably won't play much - dream 3. If we wait and win Webber We the same - moe + webber+Rookies[maybe -SA]- dream I say do 1. if possible because 2 is about 10 times more likely that 3. While Webber is great we loose backcourt depth. Without dream [at this point with dream] how much confidence fo you have in our front court? Webber, Kt, cato, Collier, Los, Walt, bullard, Langhi Webber, Walt, Cato starting oppose to SAR, Moe, Cato, KT, Collier, Los, Walt, Bullard, Langhi SAR, Moe, Cato starting SAR and Moe = Webber and Walt? IMO . . YES! Offensively and yes. . defensively Webber is great defense but d*mn walt is pathetic Moe isn't pathetic and SAR is pathetic it equals out. SO in closing Francis, [Mobley/SA], SAR, Moe and Cato/collier is as good as Francis, [Mobley/SA], Walt, Webber, Cato/Collier Rocket River ok we have no guarantee on Moe or SA but they about 100 times more likely to stay than webber is to come here ------------------
i think you are vastly underestimating the rockets chances at webber..for these reasons 1. we will have the cap room 2.if u look comparably at the rosters without cwebb on either team the rockets have imho more talent..3.he has some distant family here..4.rudyt is a well respected players coach and the organization is the same way..5 the city is an nba players hotbed..in terms of the players that workout in the offseason here..those are my reasons..and i do think we will get him..unless sacramento does awesome in the playoffs which i just dont see happening.. ------------------ How Sweet It Is! How Sweet It Is! Gene Peterson on the rockets winning the 1995 championship over the Orlando Magic
also explain where u have mobley and anderson at guard..they wont go to add cwebb.anderson..he cant just getting more than mobley so hes staying..and we know mobes is a cornerstone with stevie.. ------------------ How Sweet It Is! How Sweet It Is! Gene Peterson on the rockets winning the 1995 championship over the Orlando Magic
Moe Taylor is a good pf but I'd rather have Mo Taylor. ------------------ Ceo of the Walt Williams fan club. Web site coming soon atheistalliance.org
You are forgetting one thing-- every great post player wants to play with a good backcourt. That's why Antonio McDyess didn't come here two years ago. There is no better, more liked, and more explosive backcourt NBA than Steve and Cat. And as mentioned before, they are extremely likeable, and can sell the Rockets to anyone. Another note-- I've heard a lot of places lately that even if we hit the jackpot and got CWebb, that we would still probably resign Mo. The Rockets/Rudy, etc. like him a lot and want him here. So if we got Webber and kept Mo, we'd play technically one at center and one at PF, although it would really be a 2 PF system up front. But for the sake of argument, let's call Mo a center to compare the Rockets and Kings. PG-- Steve vs. J.Williams-- Not close. Advantage Rockets SG-- Cat vs. Doug Christie-- Advantage Rockets SF-- Shandon vs. Peja Stojakovic-- Advantage Kings PF-- Kenny vs. Lawrence Funderburke-- Advantage Rockets C-- Mo vs. Vlade Divac-- Even Bench-- Bobby Jackson, Jon Barry, Turkoglu, Pollard vs. Moochie, Walt, Carlos, Cato, Langhi, Collier-- Even, possibly slight advantage Kings But as I hope you can see, when you take Webber away from both teams the Rockets imo have more talent to go around him. They are also younger. The Kings do have the chemistry together, but if they don't do much in the playoffs this year (and I don't think they will), he'll have a lot of doubts in his head about staying in Sacramento. And all the other teams with major cap space besides the Kings and Rockets don't give CWebb much of a chance to win. I know at first it seems like a longshot, but when you break it down, getting Webber actually isn't too much of a far-fetched idea. ------------------ "We're not settling for just getting in the playoffs." "We want a higher seed. There's no doubt. We expect to get in."-- Steve Francis President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Teams win and lose games, not individuals. Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
Also Webber has spoken highly of the Rox before, he loves Backcourt 2001, he likes Rudy, and he has family here. I think we also have more talent than the Knicks, Spree and Houston are peaking this year. Stevie and Cat will only get better. ------------------ May I have another Snowball Clutch? Please may I? Ill be a good little mole.... I promise.
Great Post Cat! If SAC bows out in the 1st Round, I guarantee he won't be a King next year. Our closest competitor would then be the Pistons, which is closer to home. Root for a playoff 1st round crater job!! Ciao! ------------------ Ciao!
Well, if we did wait and pass up on any SAR deal that came our way, from the looks of it right now we'd be getting a very good chance at a high pick in the lottery. So, IMO, with this "deep" draft, the rookies that we would get would probably play decent minutes, b/c we'd probably get a big man in the draft...if we really sucked it up the rest of the season we might even get Woods or Haywoode, but I'm hoping that doesn't happen right now. And I agree, we will have a good shot at landing Webber. I think the key is how far Sacramento goes this season. I think they go 2nd round at best, but you never know. And if they did happen to get to the finals, we can pretty much forget about it...but lets hope not. I'd rather pass on SAR now and take our chances at Webber & picks. Lets say Mo leaves if we did sign Webber, but we are able to re-sign Shandon...this would be our lineup: {Steve, Cat, Shandon, Webber, Rook C} or, if Shandon left also, we have multiple picks, so: {Steve, Cat, Rook G/F, Webber, Rook C} would be our lineup with the rookies both being first round picks. In the worst case we re-sign Mo and Shandon, no Webber, and the picks...that's not to bad IMO. That sounds better than jeopardizing chances at Webber and high picks by getting SAR now...who might not bring exactly what we need. ------------------ "Steve is good. Steve is real good." -- Cleveland's rookie point guard Andre Miller on Rocket rookie point Steve Francis
Amen cat, i agree 100%, also thanos..the only other good team with cap room this offseason would be miami..but once zo comes back grant becomes a solid pf..so count them out..and i do think the rockets are the frontrunners..but go ahead and give me reasons why you disagree..ill try and give rebuttals?? ------------------ How Sweet It Is! How Sweet It Is! Gene Peterson on the rockets winning the 1995 championship over the Orlando Magic
Aside from the Rockets, which teams will have enough cap space next year to sign Webber? ------------------ Dream Rejects Every Attempt Made
Expanding on Francis 3422's comments: Webber told TNT/TBS that in free agency's, he's looking for the following things in free agency: 1) Stay in the West. 2) He would prefer a city bigger than Sacramento. 3) His teammates. 4) The fans. 5) The $$$ (he didn't say "Show me the money," but he mentioned this last, as in, "I'm now worried about that," i.e., "this will be automatic: people know my worth.") If he leaves Sacramento, that leaves Houston and Dallas. Others have posted that Webber says he tells reporters everywhere that he could see himself playing there, but that's crap. He's said that in only New York, Houston, Dallas, and Detroit. If he said it anywhere else, like LA, well, the Lakers can't afford him anyway, so don't even count it. Count out Detroit. He once said it's too much of a distraction to play at home. Besides, why leave Sacramento for Detroit? The Kings have far more depth and talent. Maybe Dallas. Webber professed no love for the actual team, just the organization (i.e., Cuban spoils his players); but who would Dallas trade? Cuban has promised that the Walt Williams Punching Bag will stay; Nowitzki is a future All-Star. Dallas might move Trent or those recent draft picks or Laettner, but would the Kings take these in consolation? Probably count out New York, unless the Knicks trade, say, Camby and Harrington and who knows who else. HOUSTON. He loves Steve and Cat. A dominating front court player is all the Rockets need, and I'm sure his cousin who lives here has hammered home that fact. And Houston is a big Western Conference city. The fans suck, let's face it; they need to be roused from their stupor and quit following everyone else's teams. But if we had Webber, the fans would wake up to the team again. In a hurry. ------------------
How about this reason? We trade Cato/Walt to Miami & release Dream so that he can sign with Miami. Miami sends last year players like Majerle/Ceballos & throw in a young prospect like Davis to Vancouver. Vancouver sends us SAR. Throw in draft picks where needed. SAR's salary would be off set by Cato & Walt's. We would still have the cap relief from Dream's salary. We could sign Shandon either early bird or with the exception, until we have his full bird rights. If Shandon accepts the early bird contract, then we could sign MO for the exception. We could then draft a center to be groomed for down the road. We would have a lineup of: C: MO/Collier PF:?/KT/LOS SF: SAR/Shandon/Langhi SG: Shandon/Cat PG: Francis/Moochie I think Webber would consider this a team, that with him added, would be a serious contender for several years to come. ------------------
The question isn't whether Webber will come to Houston, it's whether he'd leave Sacramento..I highly doubt it... Sacramento are a dominating Western conference team...They've surrounded him with a perfectly functioning team that supports his offens and plays hard D...If he came to Houston, he wouldn't be on a contender anymore...other than that, everything is on Houston's side... ------------------
Actually, if he came to Houston, we would then be a contender...just like if he left Sactown, they wouldn't be anymore. Whatever team he goes to he will probably make a contender. ------------------ "Steve is good. Steve is real good." -- Cleveland's rookie point guard Andre Miller on Rocket rookie point Steve Francis
sane, if cwebb came here next yr we would be primed to win it all..no way were not a contender our 1st yr..im sorry i dont buy it..i also think if he comes, mo will stay for the exception..wed have an awesome big man, with excellent guard play..beat that..as for dallas..theyll have to lose finley to get cwebb plus they have nowitzki already..wont happen imho,thus unless sacto magically go to the conf finals..we have a tremendous shot at cwebb and i think will land him.. ------------------ How Sweet It Is! How Sweet It Is! Gene Peterson on the rockets winning the 1995 championship over the Orlando Magic
This used to be a longer dreamcast-type post in which we landed Swift rather than Shareef. I've been watching the Bulls-Grizzlies. I have edited this post completely because Marcus Fizer, himself a disappointment until recently, has used Swift in this game like a rented mule. Swift is a lightweight kid out there. Rahim looks great, by the way. Please, let him be a Rocket. ------------------ [This message has been edited by ROXTXIA (edited February 03, 2001).]
Ah, Cat my friend, always true to your opmistic nature. I pray you are right. But i´m afraid i don´t share your optimism on this. I wouldn´t say it´s dreamcasting, but i still think it´s highly unlikely. But then again, whou would´ve thought we would get Drexler, Barlkley and Francis? ------------------ President of the Official Welcoming Committee for Shareef Abdur-Rahim!
No way Webber can come here and take the Rox to the top in his first year. The Rockets just aren't that good. They don't play enough D to make it next year. if Webber, by some miracle, signs with us next year, we'll be contenders the year after, at least. Plus, Webber has no more reason to leave Sacramento...They're winning big, his teammates have learned to play good D, he's surrounded with ppl that suit his game. He loves the city too. WHY should he leave? If he decided to leave, then ok, we have a big chance of getting him...but that's the thing, he'll never think of leaving under the current circumstances..I just don't see him leaving Sac-Town, simply cause there is NO reason.. ------------------
I can understand why Francis would be considered better than Jason Williams. At the PG position, however, Jason Williams handles and advances the ball better than Francis. Mobley can score, but is in-consistent. I happen to like Christie's defense. Which is also why I like Anderson playing defense as a backup SG. Houston desperately needs an athletic SF. I like what Taylor brings to the team...at the PF position. Thomas better than Funderburke? Doubtful. Besides, Pollard also plays backup PF and he is way better than Thomas. Divac is a very intelligent player and I think he brings a lot to the Sacramento team. <hr width=35%> Another poster said it best: there's no reason for Webber to leave Sacramento. They have great chemistry, proven playoff experience, support from ownership and management, and play great defense. They're a close group of players. <hr width=35%> Webber would be nice, but I like what Taylor brings to the team. Since Webber and Taylor play the same position, Houston doesn't really need to find a PF. Maybe a backup PF. Jerome Williams (Detroit), SAR (Vancouver), and Austin Croshere (Indiana) may be available. Any one of these players could help solidify the Houston line-up. To contend, Houston will need some solid front-court players (Taylor, ?), learn to play defense as a unit, and create better spacing on offense. ------------------ "Breaking up is hard to do...[with] everyone trying to make it a parting befitting all the professionalism that came before. Trying to find that Olajuwon graceful fade one more time." Scott Howard-Cooper (Sacramento Bee, ESPN.com)
