gee, Pard.....I know of one and it has been reported that 2 S&T offers were brought to the LAC by Duffy...... and according to Duffy it was the LAC that said they would not participate in any S&T for Kandi..... so in your Clipperland with the mad hatter and the rest maybe up is down and down is up......but, in the real world facts are facts........ Oh, and that matching of salaries is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tough isn't it.......well it does not seem to bother other franchises too much......but, in your pastel colored Clipperland it is virtually impossible.......ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Oh, and pray tell ...... explain letting Pike go for nothing. explain letting Rooks go without an offer and signing OP. Well, just give us the Cheshire cat explanation for letting 4 of top 7 go for NOTHING!!!!!! Oh, stupid me, I took it as evidence that the LAC have no intention of competing.......
The LA media is pretty confusing. Or perhaps it's the Clippers who are confusing all of us. Remember we talked about how they reported that the Clippers will NOT match ANY offer to Odom? http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62565 Now they are saying they PROBABLY will match a ludicrous offer.
Either 1) they really never had an intention to sign Odom and publically said they wouldn't match to screw him (so other teams think they don't have to outbid the LAC) or 2) they were thinking about singing Odom and said before mentioned item to dupe Odom/other team into a cheap contract. Either way, those sneaky Clips. I still think they let him walk at that outragous contract.
Man! whats with all the inflated contracts this year? at this rate everyone next year will be getting the max, but by then some of them will at least be worth the money.
Easy, that thread was mistitled. You knew that right? bajabill, say what you want, but DTS will be clearing $210 m i l l i o n in salaries (counting Dunleavy) if he matches. Piat and Rook is what...2.5% of that? Surely it is about 5 times more than you thought he'd spend. you are clueless like brar rabbit regarding SnTs. Don't get stuck trying to figure it out...let me 'splain it to you. SnTs are hard to pull off, especially in your scenario when matching salaries was not even part of the deal...ie, Miller for draft picks. Only teams $7m below the cap could have made that deal. Then you said...oh, Miller for expiring contracts. ummm, do you really value bad contracts over pure caproom, no matter if they are expiring or not? Also, do you not understand that teams cannot force a free agent to accept a sign n trade. if you don't believe me that SnTs are hard and often very complicated, especially for contracts involving raises then quick...name me one sign-n-trade that happened this summer. don't look!! don't anyone help.
Hopefully hp won't mind if I augment... One of the reasons for the difficulty in the SnT is if the raise is larger than 20% (and his current team is over the cap) the traded player becomes BYC if the signing involves Bird Rights or a rookie contract extention. Therefore, the SnT re-signed player would have to be traded to a team under the cap or another player(s) would have to go to a third party team. Hopefully, I didn't ruin the puzzle! PS - I don't have the exact figures, but I believe the Clipps were technically over the cap as they never renounced Brand or Maggette prior to re-signing. Those two players counted as a 300% cap hit. Without being renounced, Brand alone was about an $18m cap hit.
I tell ya, nothing gets me going in the morning better than a good discussion about the NBA Collective Barganing Agreement. Next up, an in-depth discussion on the NFL QB rating system and a quick explanation of Einstein's theory of relativity!
No, there was a confusion in the media. Some said the Clippers would match. Some said they would not. The "would not" version (which the thread title indicated) seemed to be the more widespread one.
The "would not" version was not mentioned in that thread. The article in that thread said: <i> Clippers general manager Elgin Baylor has informed Odom that L.A. <b>does intend</b> to match any offer.</i> Do you have any links to the "would not" version?
hp - Correct. My point was that the combination of Brand, Maggette, Miller and Odom would likely have placed the Clipps technically above the cap at the start of the summer signing period since none were renounced. And thus providing further evidence as to why SnT's are difficult. (IIRC, in the Brand dreamcasting it was determined he would be BYC).
Not a good day for DTS or the LAC at the hands of the LAT and OCR; Heisler LAT; "Donald T. Sterling must be wondering what more he could do. He gave Elton Brand $82 million, breaking the team record — by $67 million — plus $42 million to Corey Maggette, not to mention the $60 million they offered Gilbert Arenas, who didn't even play for them, which was another first. Of course, there's still a little gap between Sterling's reality and the actual thing. This was a herculean effort for Sterling but came a little late for his players, because all the ones who could leave did (Michael Olowokandi, Eric Piatkowski and Sean Rooks), and all the restricted free agents accepted offer sheets, including Brand, Maggette and Lamar Odom, who were supposed to be their core guys. This wasn't hard to predict because general managers all over had this summer circled on their calendars from the time the Clippers put this group together. With a group of agents advising them how to front-load deals to make it even harder for Sterling to match, they attacked in concert like killer whales. Now with Olowokandi, Piatkowski and Andre Miller gone and Odom, Sterling's longtime favorite, hoping to play for that nice Pat Riley, they're down to this: Match Miami's six-year, $64-million offer or start rebuilding again. That's not a happy choice. I've always been as keen to spend Sterling's money as he was to keep it but, even recognizing Odom's potential and the Clippers' predicament, this is off the charts. Putting aside Odom's two suspensions, the 84 games he missed the last two seasons and this summer's pout after the Clippers offered only $8 million a season, Odom hasn't come close to realizing his potential and he's a four-year veteran. At his zenith in his second season, he averaged 17 points, eight rebounds and five assists. In his third and fourth seasons with Brand here, the offense no longer went through Odom, who no longer looked as special. His numbers slid to 13-6-6 in 29 games and 14-7-4 in 49 games, respectively. That's before one gets to his stability, as one should because he would single-handedly take up 20% of the Clippers' cap space through 2009. He drew two suspensions for failing to abide by the drug program. Insiders don't think he tested positive in either case; he didn't show up for tests or return league officials' calls. He was a disaster as a patient. With his left wrist in a cast in 2001-02, he dunked a basketball right-handed while watching practice, landed on a ball and injured an ankle, putting him out the rest of the season. That spring, he took his soft cast off the ankle, after which the medical staff put it back in a hard cast so Odom couldn't mess with it. Nonetheless, the team never wavered in its support. Odom was on the list in July with Brand, Maggette and Arenas when Sterling gave the startling go-ahead to spend whatever it took. That meant signing Odom quickly. With his agent, Jeff Schwartz, volunteering to take a short-term deal, the Clippers offered $24 million over three seasons. The problem wasn't the team's generosity, which was unprecedented. The problem was Odom no longer wanted to be here. Of course, the slick move would have been to sign Olowokandi and renounce Odom, putting the Clippers in position to get Arenas, another high-priced young comer who, at least, is tracking upward. Now, Odom is doing his angry number for the Miami Herald ("To sign somebody back out of spite is gutless and is sorry. I just want to get as far away from the Clippers as possible"), ESPN.com, et al., hoping to provoke the Clippers into turning him loose. Where did they get the idea Sterling cares? After Brand signed his offer sheet with Miami, he called Sterling personally, begging to be let go. See how fast Odom, who says he's "disgruntled," gets un-gruntled if he learns he's back here for six years. Amazingly enough, the Clippers say that's where this is headed. Elgin Baylor, distressed at the sight of his roster melting away, has been promising Miami officials that they'll match, refusing to even entertain sign-and-trade offers. Clipper officials say the market has determined Odom's value but that's not quite true. The market has determined Odom's price. Personally, I couldn't do it. If they had re-signed Olowokandi and it hadn't worked out, they could have unloaded him because he's a 7-foot center. Odom's a small forward and will be hard to move at those numbers. This is still Clipperdom, a cobwebbed castle that runs on its own time, according to the whim of its quirky monarch. Remember last summer when Sterling didn't sign anyone because, as usual, he didn't think he had to? Now might be a good time to re-think that one. Then by the time he gave the go-ahead on Brand, Odom, Maggette and Arenas this summer, it was mid-July and the other teams, who'd already spent weeks wining and dining free agents — many of them Clippers — were well along in negotiations. Olowokandi was written off here months ago, even as it became obvious he could be had cheap. He spent months signaling he was open to staying but by the end, when the Clippers actually put in the high bid (a deal starting at $6 million, to Minnesota's $4.9 million), he just wanted out. Not that the Clippers can't make it work with Odom, but it's not exactly a sure thing. Of course, it's important to focus on the future, rather than dwell on the mistakes of the past, however familiar. Look at the bright side: maybe the gods will drop another budding powerhouse in their lap." Bisheff OCR; Odom spoiled but wants to 'start fresh' -- By STEVE BISHEFF, OC Register It is everything that is strange and sleazy and just plain wrong with professional sports summed up in two words: Lamar Odom. Meet the poster child for today's spoiled athletes. Meet the guy who takes millions from the Clippers, doesn't play in most of their games, gets suspended twice for substance abuse then coolly announces that he's too good for them. "Basketball hell" is the way he described playing in Staples Center the past two years... Odom, a restricted free agent, has signed a $65 million offer sheet from the Miami Heat, and the only way the Clippers can keep him is by matching that ridiculous total. And from all indications, the redoubtable Donald T. Sterling, the former Mr. Tight Wad himself, intends to do it. This is what gives pro sports a bad name... ... These two guys deserve each other.
so, bajabill, what were you saying about Olowakandi not being offered anything? Sounds to me like Kandi merely pulled a semi-Payton, and took an MLE for the chance to play with an existing contender, no matter that the Clips were offering more $$.
It sure sounds like it. It also sounds like Sterling is willing to spend money. (I know, he already has, but I'm shocked that he offered that kind of bread to Arenas... not one of his guys... and Kandi-a**) Perhaps Sterling would actually make a trade for players with long-term contracts. Interesting stuff. Thanks, bajabill.
man, I didn't even see the Arenas thing. That would explain why they would want to delay the signing of Brand, Magette, Odom first--to leave cap room for Arenas. Unfortunately, that necessary timing of signing free agents is counter-productive in that why would Arenas sign until Sterling signs the rest of his guys.
And Sterling perhaps gets bit by his reputation. Who would believe him or his people if Arenas or anyone else was told that Sterling would actually resign his guys? (Brand, etc.)
"Not being offered any thing"???????? Sounds to me like NOT SIGNING or NOT doing a S&T.......but, in Clipperland...... and for Capologists, what MEM offered was in the 7M range and since Kandi was over 6M last year ........ no BYC. Arenas 6/60.......Kandi gone, Brand matched.....LO, Maggs, Miller still with CAP holds........= no offer sheet for GA..... discussions yes, offer sheet no....... but, some people want to believe these were all in play independently and simultaneously...... time being one other facet of reality non-existent in Clipperland. LAC with Brand 25M.....and Maggette 31M.......and Miller 39M....and LO 49M.......now if GA said yes to 7.8M in a 6/60....LAC have to get to 36M to sign a contract......waive Miller....41M.... gee, you think LO would have been waived??????? Or, maybe nobody was ever serious??????
