So i take it that you think that she doesnt have the right to stop when she wants to and he has the right to force her to keep going. by the way have you seen pictures of kobes penis or have you seen it first hand or is it that you just assume that all black men have large penises so you can get a nieve white girl in bed with you to see if its true?
The same old story. Same old song and dance. The lawyers get rich and the tax payers pay. I hate the corrupted greedy court system but thats a different story. I say give him a truth drug and if he did it sentence him. If he is innocent let him go. The media has run a muck again (whats new?) Here in the great N.W. we have that green river phycho- everyone knows he did it but they have to milk it for all its worth 25 million and then they say they need 25 million more and that was at least a year ago. The greed of the courts and lawyers will ruin this country. Do they care ? No they have properties in other countries to flee to after the country is bankrupt. I am very sorry guys I am off the topic. How many lawyers does it take to screw in a light bulb? How many can you afford?
Friendly Fan, I apologize if I seemed gratuitously rude. I was gratuitously frustrated by the inability of some to see the possibility -- not necessarily the probability -- of a bigger picture.
I think you need to read my post again. You assume that it is given that she wanted to stop before intercourse, when in fact, that cannot be proven. It seems that you haven't considered the possibility that she used her right to stop during or after intercourse. And the reason I am considering that Kobe's penis is larger than normal is because he's tall, and the fact that she has a vaginal tear.
Oh it's possible, but not probable. It's also possible that Vince Carter hired the girl to tempt Kobe into adultery and to bait him into rape, thereby putting negative exposure on Kobe. The league, hoping to put on a good image, pumps up Vince's image and Vince gets more endorsements and more money. Like you said, "Follow the money". Hey, whaddaya know? Vince is on the cover of EA NBA LIVE!
hey, the first thing I was going to do this morning was edit that comment of mine out. I woke up thinking "I need to take that out." it's no big deal. I apologize for my implication.
hey, the first thing I was going to do this morning was edit that comment of mine out. I woke up thinking "I need to take that out." it's no big deal. I apologize for my implication.
If they would have just aired kobes quote of m.l.k. to begin with it probably wouldnt havent have gotten near as much exposure, but since they edited it the media jumped all over it. Im sure that someone in kobes camp made sure that everyone had to see it to drum up more support from the minoritys to make this a race issue so that it would look like an injustice if he were to be convicted insted of taking the case head on for what its really about to begin with. the real injustice here is that he is trying to make this a racial issue to help his case and that the media is fueling the fire and that makes me sick, for as long as that happens there will continue to be racial tension for all races should be proud of their race, but if kobe loves his wife and is proud of his race then he shouldnt have been sleeping with a white woman to begin with.
Who says the WNBA isn't pro basketball? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/wnba/news/2003/08/13/wnba_rape_ap/
I don't think he's trying to make it a racial issue. Sure, Martin Luther King said those words, but they can be applied to many situations, not only race. And it seems that you are hung up on Kobe ( a black man ) sleeping with a white woman, otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it. Did some black guy steal all of 'your' white women and you're pissed off?
Yes but she also has the right to stop in the middle of intercourse. If she wants to stop in the middle and Kobe doesn't stop, then it's still rape. It doesn't matter at what point she wants to stop unless it's afterwards.
I see your side of it you will defend kobe just because he is black no matter what he does and thats the bottom line with you! you know it and i know it. And no i havent ever lost no woman to no black man. And believe me you aint man enough. I grew up in an all white town and have been taught to not be prejudice and had not formed an oppion of anyone but its ignorant people like you who give your race a bad name. you seem to be the only racist here. do you really think m.l.k. would like an adulturer and a possible rapist of a white woman going around qouting him? I think he would hang his head in shame as well as you should
I believe MLK was himself an adulterer. It would be pretty hypocritical of him to be offended that another adulterer would use his words.
Wow, talk about being ignorant and presumptious to the extreme. You love to assume things don't you? Wrong assumptions you've made so far: 1) You assumed that I thought Kobe's dick size was big b/c he was black. 2) You assume that I'm defending him because he's black. 3) You assume that I will defend him no matter what, just because I am considering the possibility that he is innocent. 4) You assume that I KNOW that I am defending him because he is black. 5) You assume that "I ain't man enough" 6) You assume that I don't think she has the right to stop. not only that, but you seem to be annoyed that a black man was sleeping with a white woman by your comments: You say you aren't prejudice, but I think you're being short-sighted and ignorant here. Have you even considered the possibility that he is innocent? At least consider the possibility that he is innocent with the same consideration that you've reserved that he is guilty.
I don't think that's the case under Colorado law, but maybe I'm wrong. Regardless, my point is that people have been assuming that she told him to stop before they had sex, when it could have been anywhere before, during, after, or not at all.
I don't know if it has debunked yet or not, but my understanding was the prosecution was going to argue that Bryant blocked the door to keep her from escaping. Unless they were in an unusual sex position, that would suggest the alleged rape began before intercourse. Also, it is the case only in Illinois that the right of refusal after penetration is explicitly stated in law. But, it is implicit in the laws of most states. The California Supreme Court (which doesn't matter here) decided that it was implicit in California law a couple of years ago. I assume Colorado doesn't have such a clear precedent or we would have heard about it. But, that means there is no Colorado precedent the other way either. If refusal occured after penetration, I think the rape will be harder to prove, but I'm pretty sure it is something you can prosecute for. Besides, as I've already said, it looks like they are arguing the refusal came before intercourse.
Juan -- even if it hasn't been decided by appellate courts in Colorado, the prosecution still has every right in the world to argue that. that's how new law gets made, ultimately...that's how laws are ultimately reinterpreted. particularly when other states have found similar meaning from similar words. i'm with you, though...i think they're going to have a stronger argument than that, even. from what we're hearing anyway.
it's a lesser crime and unncessary to plead...particularly when the facts giving rise to her calling it rape also give rise to a false imprisonment charge. just because a lesser offense is not included does not mean that the facts don't rise to that level.
You are assuming that we would defend a white star if he has accused of rape. I have said that i would like to see a rich star have to be held accountable the same as the rest of us. not just a black rich star.
here you go again assuming that white people are out after the black man. Man your one who seems to have a real problem with understanding how white people think.
