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3rd String PG Options?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ZomgZ, Aug 11, 2015.

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  1. TMac'n

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    Moochie Norris....
     
  2. Corrosion

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    I mentioned Ridnour last year at the deadline. Its rumored he will retire ....

    If he doesn't retire , I wouldn't mind giving him a look in training camp with a partially guaranteed vet min deal. He has good handles , doesn't make a lot of mistakes and can shoot it at a fair clip - Career 34.9% from 3 tho last year was a down year at 31.7%.Being a career 86.2% from the charity stripe is a bonus.

    Not sure he has any tread left on the tires tho .....


    I like options 2 & 4.
    Prefer option 2 over all the rest. Dude can shoot from anywhere and this team needs a sharpshooter.

    Temple is a solid option .... He shot well above his career average from 3 last season at 37.5% and is a very solid defender and his contract would fit into the Shved TPE.

    Chalmers wouldn't be a horrible choice but it would be very difficult to trade for his contract (1 year - $4.3m).

    Not interested in options 1 & 3.
     
  3. photojoe

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    Lol. Repped for a classic.

    "My barber didn't know when to quit. Do you?"
     
  4. benchmoochie

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  5. Corrosion

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    Next year's FA has nothing to do with being hard capped.


    Once they are hard capped they can basically do absolutely nothing else. Cant even sign guys to the vet min or 10 day contracts (without creating cap space below the apron).... that means if someone gets injured and is gone for the year you cant sign someone to replace them and remain over the cap.

    Hit the hard cap & you are done making roster moves other than trades where you take in fewer dollars than you send out.


    I don't call that "going all in" either .... because down the line , you could actually trade a player and bring back even more salary .... (125%+$100k) further exceeding the luxury tax by not using what remains of the MLE or handing out a vet min contract longer than one year in length.


    The NBA cap is a complicated monster , let me lay it out for you in simple terms:

    If one or both of the following occur:

    Sign Terry (or any other vet) to a minimum salary contract longer than one year.

    Use the remainder of the MLE to sign a player (can be used after hitting the hard cap - I think).

    The team exceeds the apron. at which point they are hard capped if they have used the more than the taxpayer MLE (they used that exact figure to sign KJ).

    They can sign all as many players as they like to ONE YEAR vet min deals without regard to the cap.

    There is an added bonus to those One Year deals in that the actual cap hit (for any player in their 3rd year or beyond) is that of a 2nd year vet min player. The league picks up the tab for everything above that figure.

    An example is Chuck Hayes , his actual salary is $1,499,187 but the Rockets only pay him $947,276. The league pays $551,911 of Hayes salary and his actual cap hit is only $947,276 (the figure that the Rockets pay).

    If the contract is greater than one year the league DOES NOT pick up the cost above and the actual dollar amount is the cap hit , in the Hayes example $1,499,187.

    Terry's deal would be identical to that of Hayes as a 10+ year vet and giving him a 2nd year would mean adding $511,911 to their cap which would exceed the apron with Harrell still to sign.

    At that point they can sign Harrell to a Two year Rookie Min deal while not affecting the cap or use the remainder of the MLE and give him up to Four Years but option B invokes the hard cap and would require them shedding salary below the apron.

    Hell , I'm half confused too .... :cool:

    You'd be doing yourself (and all of us) a favor by reading Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ There are about 118 CBA specific sections. Here's the link - http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

    The following quote explains the apron and hard cap.


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  6. PJ86

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    I'm not certain that they are ..... If I'm reading that chart correctly the MLE/Room column shows how much they have remaining of their exceptions but it doesn't explain which exception they had to begin with , the Taxpayer or non-taxpayer.





    It is entirely possible that Chicago is hard capped as they are better than $4m over the tax line and have only 1,126,000 of their MLE remaining. This one depends upon which version they used. If it was the Non-Taxpayer they are Not hard capped. If it was the Taxpayer version then they are hard capped.

    It appears that Cleveland would not be since they have 11,276,000 of MLE/Room remaining despite the fact that they are ~10m over the tax line which is $6m above the apron.
    That 11.276m might be a typo as the MLE was $5.464 million , I don't know where the rest of that figure comes from. If this is a typo , Cleveland would be in the same situation as Chicago & GSW - which exception did they use.

    Golden State & LAC could also be hard capped , again depending upon which version of the MLE they used.


    OKC & Miami don't appear to be hard capped as they have spent less than the Non-Taxpayer MLE - Both have more remaining of those exceptions than the Rockets who spent only the taxpayer version on KJ. Pretty easy to tell which version they used just looking at the numbers..


    I would doubt that those GM's would put their teams in that predicament .... Its more likely than not that those more than $4m over the tax line used the Taxpayer versions of the MLE and are not hard capped .... Tho They may well have used the non taxpayer versions .... I'd have to look up the transactions for each club to see.
     
  8. Corrosion

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    Oops. I typed that backwards ....


    It should read:

    If it was the taxpayer they are not hard capped. If it was the non-taxpayer they are hard capped.
     
  9. PJ86

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    NBA clearly needs to make some changes. Some teams have spent way more than us yet we cannot even sign a freaking rookie and offer a veteran a 2 year deal.
     
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    Chicago is not hard-capped at the apron. They used a portion of the taxpayer MLE to sign Aaron Brooks. They can use the rest of the taxpayer MLE and not be hard capped. The only way they can be hard-capped is if they accept a signed-and-traded player in a trade.

    In fact, none of the Bulls, Warriors, Thunder, Heat, Clippers & Cavs are hard-capped. They're all over the apron now. They're simply operating above the tax line and the apron. But none of those teams received a player in trade that was signed-and-traded and none of those teams used their Bi-Annual Exception or more than the Taxpayer MLE in signing players.

    Currently, the teams that are hard-capped at a maximum $88.74 million in salary ($4 million above luxury tax line) are:

    1. Charlotte - they used the Bi-Annual Exception to sign Jeremy Lin.

    2. Memphis - they used the entire Non-Taxpayer MLE to sign Brandan Wright.

    3. Minnesota - they used $3.9 million of the Non-Taxpayer MLE to sign Nemanja Bjelica, which was more than the $3.376 million Taxpayer Exception.

    4. New Orleans - they used $4.17 million of the Non-Taxpayer MLE to sign te Cunningham and Alonzo Gee, which was more than the $3.376 million Taxpayer Exception.

    5. Washington - they used $4 million of their non-taxpayer MLE to sign Alan Anderson, which was more than the $3.376 million Taxpayer Exception.
     
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    It's not that hard for someone to give the ball to harden. Brewer did it when Rubio went down. I love the brewer ariza combo. Then get....???
     
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    It's not that hard for someone to give the ball to harden. Brewer Ran point when Rubio went down. I love the brewer ariza combo. Then I think we need a jr smith type spark.
     
  13. batkins

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    Ish Smith or Luke Ridnour.
     
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    On James Harden's FB page (his main fan page) last night there was a post saying "Rumour - Norris Cole to Rockets".
    Can't see it personally. Why would he want to go as a 3rd PG option. Just curious though why that would've been posted.
     
  15. D-rock

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    Trade for one of Celtics points, they have a million of them. Rozier would be nice fit on Rockets.
     
  16. PeppermintCandy

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    I would have loved for the Rockets to have kept Nick Johnson for that third-string PG spot.
    I wonder if Thornton would be able to slide over to the 1 if absolutely necessary.

    There's still time for Morey to find someone, I suppose.
     
  17. Yung-T

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    I'm subscribed to the HD package for all games of German BBL, so maybe I'll provide highly demanded Machado updates for the MOFs.
     
  18. battousai

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    We really do need a 3rd PG on this team. I just dont think Lawson will be able to turn himself around on a dime. He will need time and adjustment period. Soonest would be after the all star, latest next season.
     
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    Spencde Dinwiddie is finally healthy and is looking real good.
     

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