Portland would, should the Rox: Trade Sabonis and Patterson for Cato and Mooch. Patterson has almost as much talent as criminality. @$4 mil in savings, but... Who backs up the 5 (Parks and/or Stephania?)? How many 2/3s can one team have? But -- 4 mil would allow Rox to match JPo (oops, much too late) -- so how would they/could they spend it? Or would they spend it at all?
? ?? ??? Let's see, one non playing stiff and one overpaid sex criminal for one overpaid useless point guard and an overpaid bu tdecent back up center. In other news, I've got a plague ridden rat corpse and a pile of dogcrap that I will trade you for a can of nuclear waste that may have some recoverable uranium and some dirty underwear.
That really puts a lot of responsibility on Yao, and I'm not sure if the Rox would be ready to do that just yet, particularly since JVG hasn't got a full feel of Yao's capability since his hiring. But are you just referring to "Portland would" as that they're shopping those guys or are you saying that they have been rumored to want Mooch and Dopey? P.S. I don't really like this idea at all though.
Portland really wants to dump out of Patterson...is it worth it for some team, in this case the Rox, to do it for them?
For what? to sign Jason Kidd? I don't even think this would free up money as neither of their contracts expires till 05 anyway. This may in fact, be the worst trade, overall, ever consummated for both teams if it were even possible.
If you want to get rid of Cato & Mooch, we'd be much better off just cutting them. That way we don't have cancer Patterson to put up with!!
Sabonis is not returning to the NBA, it's true, but his contract can still be traded by tomorrow (the 15th....I think that's the deadline) and then waived. After the 15th the contract would become guaranteed if included in a trade. So, no immediate cap relief if traded after Aug 15th. Did I even word that correctly? Coffee.....coffee....
That's 1/2 the crux of it. Is $4 mil of savings worth the talented but troubled KobeKiller/nannypopper...
ROXTXIA thanks for providing the reason Sabo is in play large there's about a 99% probability Sabonis gets traded today or tomorrow for the reason you state GMs all over the league are lookin' for a gummy bear like that to ease their luxury tax bite.
RUBEN IS A SEX OFFENDER The fact that anyone here would overlook that if he were to be of some benefit to the team is incredible. Without values, you are nothing. If having some pervert convict on your team is OK as long as it gets you a few wins, then I sure as hell wouldn't be a fan. But I'm sure that Les woyld love the added PR, what with the new arena and all. What's funny to me is that Portland actually traded for the guy. That says a lot about there franchise and is also a pretty good reason why they end up in the back of squad cars so often. [doorbell rings] - Hi my names Ruben Patterson. I'm a registered sex offender and I'm moving to your street. I here you have a duaghter. Perhaps she could babysit for me.
Even if he were cut, there would still be the 4 mil in savings... Portland has 'sheed -- but, is he worth his baggage? Portland has Anderson -- but, is he worth his contract? ...and Portland has Sabo's contract -- but, is it worth whomever would come back to Rox with it?
I think Ruben is a very good player and despite his off the court problem, I think he would be a good addition to the rockets. However, Cato is very important to this team. At this point, Yao is a 30 min/game playere. That leaves a 18 min/game whole at the center spot. Cato, not taking into account his contract, is the best back-up center in the league. Only if a comparable center is included, should Cato be traded.
Unloading Cato and Mooch, i would do that in a heartbeat. 6 million plus Rice's contract would most likely put us below the salary cap next. Not by much, but still getting rid of Cato's contract puts us in a better position to sign Yao long term, and another FA. It would definately hurt the rockets this season, but in terms of the future it puts them in a better place to make a run in 2-3 years. I guess it comes down to whether or not people feel the rockets need to trim their payroll to be in the right position in 2 or 3 years to make a run.
This is a case of trading gambling addiction (spending a lot of money for nothing--Moochie) for cocaine addiction (spending a lot of money for something that hurts you--Patterson). Patterson is a sex offender. Zach Randolph punched him in practice. You want to help Portland shed their Jailblazers name and give Houston a new nickname: Racketeers?
People said the same thing about Spreewell, he was condemned left and right, and while his behavior hasnt been beyond reproach, he certainly has contributed to that team. Patterson has his problems, but I have trust in Van Gundy to run a tight ship and keep Patterson in control.
i'd pull the trigger if the Rox bring in Badiane to play the 10-12 minutes a game that Cato played.. er, maybe a few less minutes. portland has been good to us in the past (drexler, getting rid of pippen), and the cap room would help. especially when you get rid of two overpaid players AND get an immediately expiring contract. how many times is that EVER going to happen in history?!?!?! patterson, though talented, is the eyesore minus. MONON, if anybody thinks we should just cut Cato and Mooch, just trade them to dump some salary and cut patterson. it works even better that way. the problem is there'd be no backup center, but badiane would just have to learn as he goes along. i'm sure the only reason portland would want to do this trade is to hold up their code of ethics to season ticket holders. otherwise, they'd keep patterson for themselves.
How about this deal: Ruben patterson Jeff McInnis Derek Anderson for Rice Mobley We complete our roster, and we add two players who would complement Steve very nicely in the backcourt, and they can both average 4+ assists per game. Yao/Cato MoT/Griff Patterson/A Griffin/Boki Anderson/Pike Francis/McInnis/Moochie Basically, Portland would do it for lots of cap relief. Rice and Sabonis are a combined 16M in cap relief. If you add Rasheed's 15M, that's almost 30M in cap relief coming for them. You can't put a price on that, and they get value for their talent.
Sane, once again I question your sanity. We get rid of an underpaid star in Mobley and a big final year contract (both very desirable commodities in the NBA) and take on a sex offender/locker room cancer that even the jail blazers desperately want to get rid of?!?! Not to mention we take on another big contract in Anderson. The only thing in this deal that's even partly appealing to me is McInnis, but good god! not under those terms! as to would I do Cato/Moochie for Sabonis/Paterson. No. I don't believe I would. I like Cato coming off the bench and I'm willing to see how Moochie performs with some tighter reigns. I don't remember who it was who compared this to the Latrell Sprewell incident but honestly I don't think it's even close to comparable. Latrell assaulted a man in the heat of the moment. How many of us haven't done that once or twice in our lifetimes? Ruben Patterson is a sex offender. How many of you are sex offenders? that's a hell of a difference....
