Zach Lowe: Terrence Jones could be asking for $15M per year

Because off-season

 

This. Agree 100%.

 

Dmo is good enough defensively

Not many PF are good defenders anyways

Aldridge=Soft
Griffin=lmao on defense
ZBO=not really that great
Faried=lol Dmo abused him
Green=overrated defender as far as guarding big men, Dmo would clown him

Davis might be the only good one and even he is sketchy as times defensively

 

Aldridge and Green are far superior defenders.

Nice LOF mentality. Underrate other players to make the one guy you like look better.

 

Have you ever considered the possibility that, much like when it comes to QB's, you just aren't very good at player analysis in basketball?

Anyway, if you haven't considered that possibility, you probably should.

 

Wait wait wait - is Bobbythegreat tying to disagree that Draymond Green isn't leagues better defensively than DMo?


what the actual fu_ck

 

I'm a fan of DMo's but calm down guys. If you were to clone DMo and made DMo play himself, he would clown himself just as much if not more than those other guys. His offense is so much better than his defense it's not really close.

 

No, but I would argue that DMo is an as good or better defensive PF than LMA. People very much underrate his defensive play, but I feel like that'll come to an end within the next 6 months or so.

 

I know you're excited yet Fitz has a starting job again, but calm down

 

Lol, wow.

 

I would descibe Chuck as an excellent defender, not elite, but excellent. I consider that a high compliment. Donuts, as DD said, has become a very good positional defender. He's very quick running out to harass perimeter shooters, surprisingly quick. While he isn't much of a shot blocker, he's a legitimate 7 footer, who definitely affects shot attempts in the post, sort of like Yao did, another poor shot blocker for his size, that was still an effective rim protector. While I don't consider Donuts an elite defender, not even close, I do consider him very good and improving, and when one takes into consideration his terrific and still improving offensive game, what's not to like?

I haven't read the entire thread. Are there really 20 pages arguing this?

 

Yeah. It's Linesque.

 

The 2016 cap is expected to be $89m , a jump of $22m. Teams will be required to spend 90% of that figure - $80.1m.

The cap for is projected to be $108 million with a luxury tax threshold of $127 million in 2017-18. Another jump of $19m with teams required to spend $97.2m!.

As for the contract values , your numbers are very close to what I expect both to get as free agents.
For DMo I expect a contract around $14m-$16m because of his versatility. 7 footers that can play both C & PF with his shooting range don't come cheap. If I'm the Rockets , I match that figure quick fast and in a hurry assuming he is healthy after trying to get a star to sign on the dotted line .... The Parsons situation all over again tho I likely match him star or no star. He just gives you so many options rotation wise.

For Jones , I'm right with you on the $9m-$10m figure. He'll get a little over the MLE as some team with cap space will fork over the dough.
Dont know if I match for Jones .... Kinda depends upon how Harrell turns out (assuming he isn't traded) , what you are able to do in the draft (Not much right now with no #1 pick) , if you are able to land a 3rd big fish and what you can get with the MLE / vet min deals to replace him.
Basically I think Jones is more easily replaced than DMo , not because he is particularly a better player but because he can play multiple positions. Their skillsets are just different and to me DMo's is more versatile / valuable.

 

Green is definitely a better defender but he's also right that DMo would own him in the post (assuming the refs didn't let Green tackle him. Damn he gets away with a lot of physicality).
That was a missing element in the WCF in that they couldn't really attack Green in the post where he doesn't have the size to match up with true big men. If I'm McHale in that series and have DMo , any time Green is on the court I attack him in the post in hopes of getting him in foul trouble , he cant do any damage sitting on the bench.

That's .... Funny as hell .... but relatively accurate.

 

Yeah I agree with that. Teams will value shot creation and DMo is a more sound defender.

A lot will also depend on how DMo does and if he can take another leap.

 

DMo is very good in the post obviously, but he doesn't draw a lot of fouls. Only 2.3 free throws attempted per game, less than TJones.

 

Plus LMA is afraid of guarding Centers. Dmo is not afraid of wolves.

 

lol
These aren't the only pfs in the league. What about Ibaka? Duncan?
I also really like Favors and Taj Gibson.
and lol at Davis not being an elite defender. If you mean he's not the best he could be then yeah. They guy is 22. He hasnt reached his full potential yet not even close.
Green is an amazingly versatile defender something DMO isn't and can't become. That's what makes him so incredibly valuable.
We shouldn't be comparing him to DMO because they are different kind of defenders imo.

I would say DMO is middle of the pack defensively. Good not elite. He has good defensive awareness. The improvement he can make is in rebounds, other than that don't see how he can improve as a defender.
But first of all is HEALTH.

Will DMO be back healthy 100% for the start of the season? How can everyone here so easily overlook the serious surgery he just had.

Jones has a lot more to improve to become a good defender. He has the ability to. It will be stupid to write him off as a bad defender already. He is too young and defensive awareness usually takes time for players to develop.
Jones isn't what he will always be, he hasn't stopped developing (same as DMO).


BTW OT but funnilly enough Faried, one of the worst defenders has made it his mission this year to become a DPOY and an elite defender. :grin: I will be interested to see what he does this year.

 

Lets just stop this and wait next season and then we can continue to argue in this thread again, ok?

 

Tjones got selected to play in Vegas in the USA mini camp with harden & Howard. Morey & stein tweeted it