I'm not sure what context the statement was said, but the part where Allen complains about practicing or working hard is ridiculous. Maybe Karl shouldn't have bashed his players in public, but please don't make all that money and complain about having to practice basketball. ------ Aug 13, 5:49 PM EDT Allen Looks Back on His Time With Bucks By CHRIS SHERIDAN AP Basketball Writer NEW YORK (AP) -- Ray Allen's memories of his days in Milwaukee with George Karl are not fond ones. "I started despising him," Allen said of Karl, who was fired as coach of the Bucks this summer with one year remaining on his contract. "We sat down a lot, but it always ended up being him talking and me listening." Allen, in an interview following his practice with the U.S. Olympic qualifying team Wednesday, looked back on the 6 1/2 years he spent with the Bucks before he was dealt to the Seattle SuperSonics in February for Gary Payton and Desmond Mason. Payton has since departed as a free agent, joining the Los Angeles Lakers, and the executive who made the trade, Ernie Grunfeld, has moved on to a similar front office position with the Bucks. The last remaining member of Milwaukee's so-called Big Three, point guard Sam Cassell, was dealt to Minnesota this summer in a cost-cutting move that put the Bucks below the NBA's expected luxury tax threshold. The only remaining members of the Bucks team that reached the Eastern Conference finals just two years ago are Tim Thomas, Michael Redd and Joel Przybilla. "The only people I feel sorry for in this whole situation is the city of Milwaukee, because potentially the team can be moved if the senator sells the team," Allen said, referring to Bucks owner Herb Kohl. "Glenn (Robinson) gets traded, I get traded and Sam gets traded and the team goes downhill." Allen averaged 24.5 points in 29 games for the Sonics, with Seattle winning 17 of those games. His old team, Milwaukee, was eliminated 4-2 in the first round by the New Jersey Nets. An offseason of uncertainty and change thus began for the Bucks, beginning with Kohl exploring the possibility of selling the team to a group that included Michael Jordan. Karl, speaking last month in Boston when he was still coaching the Bucks, said it was his understanding Kohl backed out of the deal in part because he felt it might damage his long term legacy with the people of Wisconsin. The trade of Cassell, the loss of Payton, the departure of Grunfeld and the firing of Karl followed. Karl did not respond to a message left Wednesday with his agent, Bret Adams. In Allen's opinion, Karl had lost his touch some two or three years earlier. "George, when he first came to Milwaukee, he was every bit of a players' coach. He listened to us, he responded to things we needed and things we wanted and everyone wanted to play hard for him." Karl, with the richest contract of any NBA coach ($7 million per season), changed over the course of his tenure, Allen said. "If we were tired, he made us work harder. If we needed a day off, he made us practice. It always seemed like when something went wrong he'd bash us in the papers. He's go at me, at Sam, at Glenn, and for a time there it was almost like - from me to him as a coach-player relationship - I started despising him. "Every time something went wrong it was Ray's doing this, Ray's doing that. I had to protect the integrity of my skills on the floor, and in stuff I did off the court, and my family had to deal with that as well," Allen said. "My family was walking around saying 'Look what George said about you now.' I got tired of that after a while, and my hatred started growing." Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...EN?SITE=TXHOU&SECTION=SPORTS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
I used to think he was a classy guy, but now he has already talked bad in public about a former teammate (Glenn Robinson) and a former coach (George Karl). That's a no-no.
Reminds me of Hakeem whining to the papers about his last years with Rudy right after he went to Toronto.
I dont think Ray Allen ever disses Glenn Robinson. his bashing is soley reserved for Karl. and I cant say it isnt deserved.
True. Karl liked to publicly bash Allen and his teammates while they were still playing for him in a highly miscalculated motivational tactic. So now he's getting the favor returned.
Hakeem merely said he felt he was underused. He never complained about practice, or not getting a day off, or that Rudy only talked and didn't listen, or any of the other stuff. Actually the more I think about it the two don't really seem similar to me at all. It was also obvious at Hakeem's retirement there wasn't any lasting resentment between those two guys. I don't think the same would be true of Ray Allen and George Karl, if Ray Allen were to retire in a few months.
you have some kinda of link to those whining reports.. i would love to read them.. i was shocked when i was reading this
Why is ok for a coach to bash a player but wrong for a player to retaliate? Rocket River He didn't say anything unclassy
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/buck/oct02/86773.asp (...) Allen served the first volley toward Robinson on the Bucks' media day, blaming "Big Dog" for the team's bad chemistry, for being a ball-hog and for not working hard in practice. "Me trying to lead Glenn Robinson wasn't going to happen," Allen said that afternoon. "Last year, there was a situation in training camp where Glenn had just had ankle surgery, and he came and practiced in all the practices, and then when we got ready to run, he sat down. I didn't like it. Nobody liked it, and I said something to him in the locker room. He told me 'Expletive, expletive, whatever, whatever.' " Those comments, along with a few others, did not go over well with Robinson, who is looking to transform the moribund Atlanta franchise into a winner. "I heard some comments that Ray Allen said about me, saying that he was glad that I got traded because we had cursing arguments in the locker room," Robinson said on Wednesday after the Hawks' practice at Philips Arena. Robinson then offered his account of the blow-up. "One time, the coach wanted us to do sprints and I didn't do the sprints because of my ankles. I had just came off not one, but two ankle surgeries. "It's easy for a person to say 'Come on, come on Dog and run' when they are not feeling that pain in their body." Robinson did not like the portrayal of himself as an selfish player who only wanted to hoist up jumpers during his tenure with the Bucks. Allen, who declined comment for this article through a Milwaukee Bucks spokesman, contended that he's looking forward to playing with Tim Thomas because Robinson's replacement will pass him the ball. "I passed the ball to Ray more than he passed it to me," Robinson said. "He takes the most degree of difficulty shots than anybody in the league. He'll pull up for a three-pointer from the hash marks and nobody ever complained about him." Allen's comments obviously stung Robinson. In a way, he said, he feels a deep sense of betrayal from his former teammate. "Don't forget, I raised him in this league," Robinson said. "He was a rookie. He was my rookie when he came in the league. Now, all of a sudden, how is he going to bite the hand that fed him? That's a coward move. I think that's pretty (weak) for a person to talk about a player when they don't have to face him every day." And Robinson further intimated that it was inaccurate for Allen to paint him as a selfish player. "You can ask every player on the roster last year if I was a team player and I bet you that more people would say that I was a team player than would say I wasn't a team player," Robinson said. "He can say everything that he wants to say, but that's a coward. I have no respect for somebody who talks behind a player's back. "I have no respect for him. If this was a street game, I'd be going up side his head when I see him. But this is the NBA." Robinson then fired a few more shots at Allen, alleging that the shooting guard is a soft player and that he had to literally come to his defense on several occasions. The Bucks' second all-time leading scorer contends that Allen did not start to flourish in the league until hand-checking was eliminated and there was a crackdown on physical play. "It's no secret in the league that he's soft," Robinson said. "He needs to let me live my life and finish my career instead of talking about him being glad that I'm gone. "I can remember when . . . what's Dennis Rodman's boy name? His right hand man? He was with him at San Antonio? . . . (Jack Haley) Yeah. Haley knocked the (expletive) out of him. "Who was the first one there to take up for him? Big Dog was. He needs to work on not being so soft and quit being a little punk on the court. Just play ball and keep his mouth closed. "You can quote every word I said," said Robinson. "I'll tell him that to his face." During their time in Milwaukee, Robinson, Allen & Co. rose from being a non-factor under Mike Dunleavy to being a playoff team and then a title contender. If one of Robinson's patented baseline jumpers goes down, it would have been the Los Angeles Lakers and the Bucks, and not the Philadelphia 76ers, playing for the 2001 title. Last season, when the Bucks' goal of reaching the Finals went down in flames, changes had to be made. Robinson was traded to the Hawks for Kukoc, Leon Smith and a first round pick in 2003 on Aug. 2, 2002. "A lot of people were saying how bad of a trade it was and that they didn't get anything for me," said Robinson, "and for (Ray) to come out and say something like that, that's gay to me. You know what I mean? I look at him as a coward." (...)
Man Glenn Robinson bashed Ray Allen a lot more than Allen bashed him. Not that Robinson started it. But, he did a much better job of it.
He said something to the effect that Rudy betrayed him in the contract talk. He didn't whine about Rudy's coaching.
