ESPN Insider: Trade Suggestion - Eddie Jones for Rice, Nachbar

hehe...thx SmeggySmeg.

NIKEstrad, if there's one unfailing truth about me; it would take a lot more than Vida Guerra's butt to make me forget a quote by Mobley...

I just couldn't find any in print!

 

Just check her out..

www.vidasworld.com

Im sorry there is no zoom function but damn the pictures look they are naturally zoomed on her rear.

 

ummm, what were we talking about, again? I got distracted.

 

See, HP truly bleeds Rocket red (or blue). He would mutch rather watch Mobley D hold Iverson to 5-23 than to watch Vida shaking what her momma gave her.

 

I'd love to see Vida in Rox red, blue, or nothing! yah baby

Jones would be a perfect fit at the sf spot. He plays D, shots the three, is a vet with playoff experience, good teammate, and can run the break. 31 is not old and we kept a way lesser player in Rice for a similar contract. It may be high but we would not be taking a high risk. We know exactly what we would be getting. He is at least 3times better than Poesy and would fr surely start over anyone we have had at sf for some years now. If we added Jones we could make due with EG and MoT and still be a damn good team.
Do the trade but try and get a pick too!

 

Good God. Who knew someone could make a living off a sphincter.

One question to throw in on this. Is Eddie Jones the missing piece to get us past the Lakers, Kings, Mavericks, and now the Wolves. I would have to say no. The Rockets have to look at players that will contribute 3 years down the line when they have a chance.

 

Too injury prone! Price is too much unless we move our bad contracts too.

 

Just thinking about it would any of do this if we
recieved :
Grant and Jones

and give up:
Taylor, Norris, Rice, and Boki

for us its not that bad because Jones and Grant come of the books when Ming contract is up. We get the tough banger and an answer at sf. and we are no worse off in salary.

for them they get a scoring pf and a backup pg. They also get expiring conracts and a vet sf from Miami. Taylor and Mochies contracts are alot more managble then what they have now.

Thanks Vida for making this a productive trip to this bbs

 

No, let me get THIS straight, you're comparing James Posey to Eddie Jones? Eddie Jones is a better scroer AND defender then Posey. And if you're willing to lock up a role player like James Posey then you might as well go after Eddie Jones who is at least capable of being a go-to guy for long stretches at a time, and is a big time scorer.

 

yeah, I like Eddie, but Jonathan Feigen wrote an article the other day about the status of the Rockets luxury cap pressure, and it strongly indicates the Rockets will not trade Rice for a contract that is not ending.

I'm sure he wouldn't mind, so I will copy and paste the response I got from him.

I don't think Rice gets traded unless it is for other ending contracts or part ending, part not.

 

Not a good trade for the rocks, but I would like to somehow get Wade. But no Eddie Jones!!!!

 

I should add that while I don't think we would trade Rice for Eddie, we might trade other players. Cat and Mo, maybe, for example. I don't see it happening.

Cat is not perfect, but dollar for dollar, he's one of the best starting two guard in the league. Jones is a good two guard, but he's not big enough to help us at our hole in defense at the corner of Six Foot and Eight. We got Rice at 6'8, Mo at 6'9, and Pike at 6'6, with Adrian at 6'5. Who's gonna guard EVERY SHOOTING GUARD IN THE LEAGUE OVER 6'7? No one.


I sure hated to see Posey go. If he could have made a jump shot ...

 

If they did trade for Jones and Grant they could sign a vet backup point like Mark Jackson or Travis Best for some of the mid level exception. This would keep us under the cap and team that could beat anyone

Francis/ (free agent)
Cat/ Pike
Jones/ AGriffin
Grant/EG or EG/Grant
Yao/ Cato

We lack scoring of the bench but resting starters sepraetly should help or we could fix that later. This is a strong defensive and offensive team.

 

I remember hearing that he modeled his game after Pippen.

 

I think we should get Brian Grant for MoT + Cato + Chicago's 2 2nd round picks if needed

Yao/Grant
Grant/Griffin
Rice/Griffin/Boki
Mobley/Pike
Francis/Mooch

Assuming we sign Mark Jackson and Charles Oakley (for all I care) to minimum contracts, we end up like this:

Yao/Grant/Oak
Grant/Griffin/Oak
Rice/A Griffin/Boki
Mobley/Pike
Francis/Mark Jackson/Mooch

We become pretty FREAKIN tough upfront, and we also become deep, our 8-man rotation for the playoffs would be Francis, Mobley, Rice, Grant, Yao, Griffin, A Griffin, Pike. That sounds pretty damn good to me.

 

I wouldn't give up a good center and pf for a slitely better but way overpiad, short powerfoward with no offensive game. The only way I would take Grant is if I got Jones to complement. Grant and Jones could be had without giving up Cato. We would be overpaying to give up a starting calibur(not great) center and pf for Grant alone and it just wouldn't make sense. We already think Cato and MoT are over paid and we want to get a player who equals less production with no upside for the price of both.

 

I would think Brian Grant makes better sense for this team. Not both Jones and Grant; we wouldn't take on two overpaid players. But if we were "seriously" looking into acquiring Sheed (not the PF type we need) or Antonio Davis (certainly overpaid, and around 35 years old), certainly we would inquire about Brian Grant.

God knows the Heat need to trade to flesh out their roster.

 

Yes, I wanted to lock up a 26 year old James Posey for the MLE for 4 years.

That's comparable to taking on a 32 year old oft-injured SG whose best years are behind him averaging $14 million per year until 2006-2007.

You were the one complaining that James Posey was making too much money and yet you would prefer Eddie Jones.

Eddie Jones makes more $$$ than Tracy McGrady.

How does Eddie Jones compare to Tracy McGrady? Do inform.




Wade's arrival sure to spell departure of Jones
Butler, Wade wave of the future
DAN LE BATARD
dlebatard@herald.com

Bye-bye, Eddie Jones.

Thanks for stopping by.

We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

Thanks for playing.

That's what Thursday shouted.

That this was Jones' going-away party.

Hosted by Pat Riley.

Oh, Riley said all the right things about how Jones will now play with his last two first-round picks, Dwyane Wade and Caron Butler, in a long and athletic backcourt. But what's he supposed to say?

That he wasted $93 million three years ago on Jones and will now trade him to just about anyone willing to take his crippling contract?

Please?

Pretty please?

Jones has never been more available than he is today, which is saying something. This is a player the Lakers couldn't wait to trade because he somehow couldn't win anything despite having teammates named Shaq and Kobe. This is a player whose Charlotte team became better the moment he left it. The question today isn't whether Riley is trying to get rid of Jones. The question is whether he can find a taker.

This isn't as impossible as it might seem. Remember, this is the same league in which Juwan Howard and his bloated $100 million contract were traded not once but twice. Problem is, in shopping Jones, you are trading your expensive, flawed player for someone else's expensive, flawed player. The Spurs probably can't be persuaded to give up Tim Duncan for him, you know?

Again, though, you are warned not to believe one syllable of what Riley says about keeping Jones, no matter how often he says it, or how zealously. Riley says whatever is convenient, which is how it came to be upon arriving that he promised before a trading deadline that nothing was happening and then traded half the Miami roster a few hours later. This isn't lying in his line of work; it's business. There's a reason Riley is one of the world's most famous salesmen. An awful lot can be filed under, ``Hey, I changed my mind.''

Why do you think the first anybody heard of Riley liking Wade was when commissioner David Stern announced Wade's name Thursday?

Because Riley had spent the last few weeks telling the truth? Riley can't give up his leverage by telling everyone Jones is available now, even though that's exactly what he said by drafting a player at Jones' position with the No. 5 overall pick in Thursday's draft. Riley needed a center and a point guard, the blueprint centerpieces around which he has always built his winners. But, with the highest draft pick he has ever had, he instead took a 6-4 player who does what Jones does. Believe Riley's actions, not his words.

You think Riley is suddenly going to become a small-ball coach? When his entire résumé, for two decades, has been built upon dropping the ball into the post to Kareem, Patrick or Zo? You saw what happened to Riley when he didn't have a center and had to settle for having Jones as his most polished offensive player. He suffered the two most miserable seasons of his life.

So Riley's next move is to either trade for that low-post presence or spend his salary-cap money on it.

Either way, rest assured, he'll find a way to go into next season with someone bigger than Brian Grant in the middle.

The dramatic changes didn't end Thursday. No. They were just beginning. And Wade is a very nice start. Anyone who saw Marquette overachieve its way into the Final Four last season, its first Final Four appearance in a quarter century, knew it was because of Wade. He dragged a team that wasn't terribly talented to within a couple of victories of a championship.

How will he blossom? And how quickly? That's impossible to project. Yes, sometimes you can get a Kevin Garnett, Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, Ray Allen or Vince Carter at No. 5, but this is what you are more likely to get: Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Jason Richardson, Mike Miller, Jonathan Bender, Tony Battie, Howard, Isaiah Rider, LaPhonso Ellis, Steve Smith, Kendall Gill, J.R. Reid, Jon Koncak, Danny Vranes, James Ray. Not a lot of franchise-changers in there.

There's only one thing you can say with any degree of certainty about Wade's long-term future:

It doesn't include Eddie Jones.

 

I'm not too sure about this trade.

The reason we are holding on to Glen is because of his contract and with only 1 season under his belt, we should give him time to develop.

I like EJ a whole bunch and his play is still very good considering all of his latest ailments, still a solid defender an good shooter and would seem to be a good fit for JVG, but I am not willing to give up Rice and Boki for him. Maybe a person locked into a longterm deal...ala MoT or KC.