Here to hoping that the remaining Stark kids can actually do something useful now (looking at your Bran and Rickon) and try not to be killed. WTF even happened to Rickon, he got sent away somewhere and nothing else happened. For Jon Snow's scene, I was surprised none of the Night's Watch really considered that their last two Lord Commanders have been killed by their own men. Not exactly a great sign for whoever becomes the next Lord Commander.
well the show is now pretty much equal with the books. snow is coming back for sure maybe not next season but the one after that which i think is the last one. people can come back to life in this series like lady stoneheart or they can live in their pets if they have those powers. if the theories about jon snow are true then he's too important to kill permanently. im kinda glad the author is getting beat by the tv makers now. he's too old and slow to write books for a living so might as well let someone else do it. i feel bad for the readers who have to wait years for him to do a simple job. this way book people will know in 2 years how it all ends.
If you recall back in the scene where the guard announces to Stannis that half his force abandoned him, Melisandre closed her eyes like in revelation or "oh ****". The revelation hit her, that yes, the Boltons would be brought down in flames, but it wasn't going to be Stannis. I think she also realized Jon Snow was about to get the ol Ceaser and "et tu, brutus" moment. Jon Snow may or may not come back, but Melisandre plays a significant part.
I try to keep my GRRM complaining to a minimum, because the original trilogy of books is an absolute masterpiece. But since the 3rd book came out in 2000 he has been killing me. He seems so dead set on "expanding" his universe, and fleshing it out, that he has fogotten to actually move the story forward in any significant way. Almost all of the charcters have been spinning their wheels. While I don't love everything the show did this year (looking at you Dorne), I do love the fact that they have gone straightforward with the primary characters that we are most invested with.
I'm not sure if he's coming back or not but they've been building up to that moment for a while. I'd even say that Tyrion telling Jorah about how his father died earlier in the season was kind of a hit at the end of the season.
Well, he can't exactly say "Well I don't know whether I'll be back" or "I'll be back" because assuming he is under contract with HBO he would be giving away a major plot point. The whole point of this episode is to make all viewers dread and think John Snow has died. The key point is that Kit Harington has already been confirmed to have signed on for season 6 (reportedly up to season 7). That is the biggest giveaway. Also, Kit Harington was likely playing on technicality. Yes, "Jon Snow" is dead, but to avoid spoilers from popular theories as much as possible, who is to say that the person revived is "Jon Snow"?
relax braye nothing spoiled from the books in my post. the show is 99% caught up with the books anyway so everyone gonna be on same page now
most interesting character is tyrion but looks like the books and the tv show are done with him. he's just gonna be a badass adviser to dany now, not a primary character like before. sorta like what happened to dwayne wade and chris bosh to dany's lebron.
Positives: 1) Jon Snow used to be the worst part of the show to me, but has really grown. He's now one of my favorite characters so good job to the show and to the actor. 2) Dany's storyline is finally interesting after being pretty dull since I don't know, season 2. 3) Cersei's walk of atonement was nicely handled. The return of The Mountain was awesome. He's definitely "undead" as you can see his bruised and battered face under the helmet. 4) Theon's moment was nice. Killing that freak was appreciated. I know Theon is a turncoat, but he's probably the only character I really hope survives and gets some sort of peace in this life. Or if he dies I hope it is a glorious death and Immortan Joe escorts him to the gates of Valhalla personally. 5) Kudos to the "previously on" section getting me hyped up for Benjen and then using it to setup the assassination of Jon Snow. Well played. Well played. 6) The Arya stuff was great. I wasn't sure I could root for her to kill Ser Meryn Trant, but between the "Previously On" segment and then watching him abuse little girls, not just rape them, I finally came around to accepting him as a bad guy. (Gee, showrunners, be a little less heavy handed lol) The murder was BRUTAL, and even though I was happy for Arya to get her revenge, it was good to see justice served by Jaqen and the many faced god. Negatives 1) The showrunners, in my opinion, did a really terrible job with Sansa. I said it from the beginning and it is more evident now. Her entire arch this year was created to insert her into that rape scene. The logic behind why she was there made no sense and ultimately she voluntarily went to a place that she then escaped. LOL So Sansa's storyline was "Chose to go somewhere, got raped, spent the season trying to escape place she chose to go." Stupid. 2) I liked the justice aspect of Stannis getting axed as he is now a multiple time kinslayer who burnt his daughter alive and destroyed his entire house. With that said, I think the storytelling here was pathetic. It's like the showrunners were afraid that if they were too subtle with things we might still be rooting for him? I don't know. It was very anticlimactic. 3) Brienne of Tarth needs to join the Avengers. She won in sword to sword and hand to hand combat against The Hound. She stumbled into both Stark girls, on foot. She snuck into the North through Moat Cailian which was supposedly impossible to pass. She amazing kept pace with Littlefinger's carriage and Calvary companions all the way from The Vale to the Inn, again, while on foot. And then, in the snow with a battle raging around where there should theoretically be thousands of Bolton men slaughtering Baratheon men, she snuck into the battle lines and sniffed out Stannis, all by himself, and delivered the King's Justice from Renly Baratheon. 4) Dorne was awful awful awful. I guess it could be the positives as well now that it's over. 5) It will be hard to root for Melissandre resurrecting Jon Snow as so many think she will. She's a slutty witch who burns infidels alive, burns children alive and apparently can't predict jack poop with any accuracy. 6) Speaking of Jon Snow, I heard and read a lot of feedback that people were surprised he was killed and surprised Olly did it. What? If you didn't see that coming then shame on you. The were giving you Olly mean mugs every episode for weeks now. It should have been obvious to everyone. The only thing that I didn't see coming was Thorne being involved. I figured his duty would overtake him and he wouldn't participate. I guess I should have reminded MYSELF that with as over the top the show had been regarding his hate for Snow that of course the simplest explanation would win out. 7) Last thing on for the watch: They should just cut the dire wolves entirely going forward. Ghost shows up out of nowhere to defend Sam when those thugs were going to rape Gilly, but Jon Snow never has him around. Ghost be like "Wha? They messing with my boy's best friend? RAAAAAAAAAAWR!" and then he be like "Wha? They going stabby stabby on my boy? Yawn!" Small points: -Good job on the show for saving budget by not paying Roose Bolton's actor to appear in the Finale despite the Boltons routing Stannis. Only had to pay Ramsay. -Speaking of Ramsay, guy is sadistic and horrible, but he's apparently the best pound for pound man in Westeros. He and his SEAL team took out Stannis. -Speaking of Stannis, so much for the famed "greatest military mind in the world." -Is the North completely dead outside of House Bolton?
Man, I wish I didn't read this. Its really giving away things that one would not know from just watching the TV show and nothing else, IMO.
the red witch is a 60% shooter, and her vision of house bolton dying and winterfell being free will come true. she just picked the wrong man. why you think she rode so far back to black castle? she gonna raise jon from the dead and he's gonna be her new champion. on dire wolves, jon might be inside ghost so he's important.
You don't know if they plan on adding LS and they are not caught up in every storyline. Next time spoiler any storyline that's in the books and not in the show. Better yet go to the book reader thread.
I was still rooting for him, over the Boltons and Lannisters surely. It was a vile act by a desperate man. He's still more honorable than most of the rest vying for the throne. I don't have an issue with it in terms of storytelling. I think the show did a good job of establishing how single-minded he was about getting to the throne. It was always leading up to that moment where he had to make the choice. We had known that he was willing to "sacrifice" innocent people -- he was ready to do so with Gendry. So, why would he make an exception for his own daughter? If we know anything about Stannis, he is consistent and doesn't allow personal emotional attachments (what little he has) to get in the way.
Agreed. I kept saying to my fiancee last night, "Good old Stannis, just truckin' ahead." Sacrificed his daughter? Keep on going. Wife killed herself? Keep on going. The person who convinced you to do terrible things all for "the realm" jumped ship once she realized you were done for? Keep on going. Poor guy was who he was and never faltered on that point. Very interesting flat character.
"Too old and slow." How ignorant. GRRM isn't a slow writer because he's 67 or whatever. I've known 60-somethings who outwork lazy 20-somethings. He has let himself get too sidetracked, though, with other projects. As for writing books, there's nothing simple about it. You go do it. It isn't just typing, you know? Not hardly. Tyrion is one character who will have a big role to play in the books and show. Don't kid yourself otherwise. The show only had one hour to squeeze in 5 cliffhangers. What, was he gonna be the Dwarf Gimli who joins Aragorn and Legolas---er, Ser Jorah and Daario Naharis---as they go trekking cross-country to find Dragon Girl? (Gawd, that would be so LOTR.)
Why is he honorable at all? What has Stannis Baratheon done that is honorable on this show? We first meet him in season 2 and he has allowed his witch to burn people alive. He uses blood magic to create a monster to muder his brother. (Keep in mind that in this world "kinslaying" is the worst affront to one's honor) In so doing he also cheated on his wife with Melissandre. He allows Melissandre to kidnap his own cousin and is prepared to burn him alive until Daavos frees the man. At the Battle of the Blackwater the wildfire has taken out many of his men and he orders them to attack despite his second in command (Daavos is gone) telling him that "hundreds will die!" Stannis replies coldly "thousands." As his men are being routed from a surprise attack he orders them to stand and fight, basically just die. He enters depression and admits to lusting after Melissandre. He hires sellswords because he has no army to back him up anymore and then goes to the wall, not for noble reasons, but because...well I'm not 100% sure what the point of all that was because they never showed him rallying any northern lords to his cause. Roose Bolton says he did it because he could invade from the North. Weird. He then was prepared to burn Mance Rayder alive despite sparing him at the end of the last season. He burned his daughter alive. He ignored the pleas from his right hand man to stop the advance. After "all of the horses" were gone (for the third time lol) and Melissandre rode off on one of those "all of the horses" that were already gone, he ordered the renaming members of his army to march, on foot, in the snow to lay siege to Winterfell. I don't know what siege weapons he was planning to use since we were told that Ramsay Rambo destroyed them all, but hey, work with me. Sorry, the only things the show has made clear about Stannis are: 1) He's a good hand to hand fighter (Multiple times he's taken on more than one man and won) 2) He used to be a good battle commander (stories) 3) He's lost every battle we've seen him in 4) Nobody likes him except Daavos and his daughter 5) Daavos thinks he is just man despite him consistently murdering or being willing to murder innocent people. The only reason you would root for Stannis is because you are rooting against Bolton, but honestly, would Stannis being King have been any better than Joffrey or a Bolton?
Yeah, flat. Good word. The only things he ever succeeded at in the show were hurting his own family and failing at the rest of his endeavors.
