Suns, Warriors and Rockets all candidates for Utah's caproom (ESPN SPECULATION)

Look in the first post by sane. ESPN said W. Person makes 7.7 mil. I think Memphis will soon try to trade Person, Swift, and Knight, and keep Pau, Posey, and Battier. Add Cato to that lineup and they have more size and fire(i cant believe i just said that).

And a lineup of D. Wade, C. Butler, E. Jones and Mo is enough offense to contend for the playoffs in the East. And its not like we are hurting their salary cap. We are just taking a player who is 30(Grant), who is a banger and not sure fits their style anymore, and giving them a 26 year old(Mo), who is more of an offensive player, a player that they have lacked for a while now, especially down low.

Its definitely interesting i think.

 

Compare Harpring and MoT.
IMO.

1) I don't think Harpring will be as effective without Stockton and Malone. He can be effective again playing with Francis and Ming.

3) MoT was effective scoring for the Rockets without the benefits of having Francis and Ming as teammates. He will do well with Utah. He will get more minutes and can become the Jazz 1st or 2nd option.

Harpring @ Utah < Harpring @ Rockets
MoT @ Rockets < MoT @ Utah.

I think swapping them (with a little extra incentive for Utah to compensate for MoT's hi contract) is doable for both.

(AK works as well too).

 

Francis, that is the reason I brought up those names. I know of there controversial relationships and was making the point that the team pay less attention to stuff like that. In fact the bad boy is Sloan who I could easily see picking a fight with a priest on a basketball court. The team knows better than to pay close attention to that whole nice boy thing. If they want you they want.

 

I think every team needs a scorer at either the 4 or 5 to be competitive.

There are not many 4 and 5 that have better offensive game than MoT. I see Yao, Walker, Martin, SAR, O'neal, Nowitzki, Gasol, KG, TD, Brand, Malone, Shaq, Sheed, Webber but their contracts are huge or will be.

There are a few others that have equal game ... Kurt Thomas, Gooden, Kenny Thomas, Coleman, Chandler ...

Guys like PJ, Wallace, Grant are good but very little offense.

MoT does have his value.

 

I think some people here do overvalue Harpring a little bit.

Before he came to Utah, his numbers didn't seem that great. I think it is mainly because of Malone/Stockton combo and the system Utah is playing.

Remember Utah is the team shooting the highest percentage in the league. Why? Not because they are great shooter, but their system and Flopton can create easy shots. With Stockton / Malone's departure, I predict the percentage will be way down this year.

However, if I were the GM of Utah, I woundn't even think about the MoT / Harpring trade. Harpring is a decent player with reasonable shorter term contract, and Mo T is a less productive player with overpaid longer term contract. Why should I do that? I can find better options easily in this league. Unless I am just a homer.

Why Rox are so quiet in the trade market? Partly because other than Yao, SF3 and Cat, Rox players' trade value are not so attractive.

 

Protose* a trade with the Clippers for Odom...


*Orange County reference

 

If we trade Glen Rice to the Utah Jazz for a future second round draft pick, we get a 9.2 million dollar exception right? But is it just for trades or can you use this exception to sign players? We still have a portion of our MLE to spend.

Well since we would be able to get Posey back.....I think the best options would be Jimmy Jackson and Steve Smith. Sign Jackson for the rest of the MLE and Smith to the veteran's minimum? Or we can replace Steve Smith with Kenny Anderson or Mark Jackson instead.

WHAT I AM WONDERING IS...do the Rockets even want James Posey back or are they too worried about going over the luxury tax limit even though we won't be.......?

Steve Francis/Mark Jackson/Moochie Norris
Cuttino Mobley/Eric Piatkowski/Juaquin Hawkins
James Posey/Jimmy Jackson/Bostjan Nachbar
Eddie Griffin/Maurice Taylor
Yao Ming/Kelvin Cato

 

I don't know what the Rockets are thinking. It seems to me they had to have a back-up plan if they werent able to sign Posey and the acquisition of Pike doesn't qualify. I just can't believe Les want to take a weaker team in a stronger Western Conference into a new arena.

Regarding Rice's contract in general, ideally it would be better to wait and see which teams surprisingly find they're going nowhere in midseason and then sit back and see what offers we get - I still see that happening.

But this Posey situation has me pissed off, and if Utah wants his contract and a #1 pick now I think we have to go for it. Unfortunately, I do think the Rox see Memphis' offer to Posey as too high in general and we have no shot at Odom. I don't see anyone out there I'm going to be happy with.

 

It would an absolute shame if they just let Posey go; essentially compounding error after error. With a passing big man and Posey cutting. over time that would be a deadly combo. Letting Posey go is a major obstruction. Major!

 

There's a little patience left in me...Lets wait before Posey's 15 day matching scenario will happen or not. Its either rockets will make a room for cap space or anything. It depends if JVG really want to keep Posey and fit him to his system...

 

The Bulls get Mobley...who's better than Rose. They lose Fizer...but they get Ostertag...whose contract expires like Fizer's. And even though they lose a pretty good player in Marcus Fizer...they reduce their payroll and get a future first rounder which is nice. They don't really need Fizer anyways. And Bagaric is a Bull right? He sucks...just useless!

The Jazz get Glen Rice and oldie whose contract expires. They also get Marcus Fizer...a good player whose contract is also going to expire. But don't they already have Kirilenko and Harpring at the 3? Fizer is a 3 too. Of course...Harpring can play at the 2, Kirilinko 3, and Fizer at the 4. Sorry..>I can't spell AK47's last name. They lose Ostertag....who just sucks and they lose a first rounder. That's not too bad for them. Not a absolutely do trade for Jazz.

We get Jalen Rose and James Posey for Cuttino Mobley and Glen Rice. Well Jalen's OK...

 

A couple of things i haven't seen anyone bring up yet:

1) If we get rid of MoT, without acquiring another bigman of equal or greater value, we are putting all of our eggs in Yao's basket.
Mo is our ONLY scoring option in the frontcourt, other than Yao. When he went to the bench last year, Mo did a great job of picking up the scoring slack.
Without him, do you honestly think EG or Cato is reliable enough to pick up the slack? So unless we can pick up another scorer to replace him, it'll be more of watching Steve and Cat play 1 on 5.

2) If we get rid of Rice, again without replacing him with a reliable veteran, what are we left with at SF? Boki and Hawk!
Are you kidding me, that might be the worst SF tandem in the history of organized basketball!
(Whoa, sorry for going BWalton on you, I apologize)

So to say that trading both for one player, whether or not you think the Jazz would go for it, why would we go for it?
We'll be stuck with absolutely NO depth in the frontcourt, and the Jazz do not have anyone with the talent to make this trade attractive.

If trading Rice helped us sign Posey/Odom, however, I'd be all for it.

 

What's the point of talking about a chain reaction that would require 5,6 different teams?

Sane, I thought you started out commenting about the Jazz?

My question is, how many teams have you ever seen who completely overhauled their entire roster by making a million trades with multiple teams? Especially a team 1 game out of the playoffs.

We need to tinker, not overhaul. JRose is so great that the Pacers traded him for everyone's favorite psycho, RArtest, and that was a year after they went to the finals.

As for Grant, that is a deal I would do, as I think he and Kurt Thomas are the two available PF's who make the most sense.

This is the type of dreamcasting we all love to dream about, but I thought this thread had some substance to it.

 

I am very comfortable with Mobley, EG, and Posey. Relative to their respective roles, I am also comfortabe with Hawk and Moochie.

 

Yeah...

Actually....I loved the team we had last year! I just think that TMo should have stayed...

And I WAS comfortable with Posey....but he's gone!

I AM NOT comfortable with Glen Rice as our starting forward. Well I think JVG could work it out.....but still.....I will miss Posey.

Anyways....all the trades everyone has proposed are great...but I don't think anything is going to happen.

My favorite trade is Taylor/Cato/that Chicago obligation for Brian Grant and James Posey.

 

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