I agree with all the posters here. He really hasn't developed a go-to offensive move. He still thinks like a guard. With his athleticism, he should be playing above the rim off pnr's etc.. He put on all that weight but is too stupid to box anyone out. I like the kid, but with Dmo and Smith he is looking pretty expendible. I don't think he gets enough development in Houston. Dragic is a free agent this summer. His value seemed to have dropped off in Miami. He would be awesome in our system.
I never said he made this thread dude. Everybody has a right to be upset with him as well as the entire team. But Holic has been chopping Jones up since day 1. That to me is childish Play07. My thing is when he is doing good, how about giving him props. Another thing I have already addressed the others people on here blasting off on the man as well.
Without Jones we also win game 1 vs GS....stop sticking to what he did in game 6 vs `Big baby , he played well but he didnt bring us home in that game thats for sure....you can thank brewer and Smith, just cuz he hit a 3 and got a rebound over someone who can't jump 2 feet doesn't mean he was the catalyst He plays well vs backups no denying that but against real competition he will disappear more often than not and thats a FACT.... So you don't think trading Jones,Kpap, our NO pick plus a international player for lawson will make us a better team by miles? I get he has battled throughout injury, but even without the injury he is a bench player at most who does nothing a PF should, and believe me Smith and DMO > Jones in every GMs mind ...hes just too soft, and if your too soft at least have a shot but he's really bad at shooting. So you tell me what does he do well at the PF position?? other then run in transition for putbacks name me one thing plz...you can't cuz he sucks at everything Bad Defense Bad court awareness Bad shooting Bad rebounding Bad finisher in the paint these are the attributes the rocket system asks from our Pf and he does nothing well, he could be a good player just not on this team NEVER.
Was never a DMo hater. Did question his improvement before he broke out this season. But....part of that was McHale. McHale never did give DMo the same break that he gave Jones, just hand him the starting job. Even at the beginning of this season, McHale ran Tariq Black out there with Dwight instead of DMo. So, I have questioned DMo's improvement and his game many times. Because he wasn't able to break through when it was obvious that he was the talent-superior player of any of the 4's we had. But I've never been a hater of DMo. (I'm not totally in love with DMo at this point either. I'm just satisified that at least one of TJones/DMo has turned into somewhat of an asset.) I'm not a Terrence hater either. What I hate is doing the same ole thing with the same predictable results. I'll tell you this.......I was actually open and crossing my fingers concerning this Warrior small-ball lineup with Draymond at the 5 and Iggy at the 4. I was open to the idea of Terrence playing the 5 against Draymond in that setup to see if he could be effective. Or even playing the 4 with Smith at the 5 to see if that would be effective. When I look at opponents I look at possible matchups and try to find a favorable matchup for every one of our players.....try to see into a series and see if we can find some usefulness for every player on the roster.....even including Dorsey. So I was actually somewhat inquisitive and HOPEFUL that Terrence could possibly step up and be a difference maker against Draymond. Because in my opinion, we've got to find a defensive and offensive matchup for Draymond that neutralizes him in that small ball lineup. In my opinion, the key to us winning this series is we have to unravel GS's small-ball lineup and destroy it. So......I was open to every possibility......including Terrence. But...........it doesn't take me long to skin a cat. I can look at a few minutes of play after seeing mounds and mounds of play from a player and I know what we're looking at for this series. I know that Terrence can't help us against Draymond. I know frankly that Terrence isn't going to help us this series against anybody save for possibly David Lee. Draymond is simply too good for Terrence to check....whether it's at the 5 against GS's small-ball lineup or whether it's at the 4 playing next to Dwight. And Terrence can't possibly matchup with Iggy or any of the other perimeter guys for GS. And GS is too smart defensively. When we run Terrence out there, they are playing 5 on 4 defensively as they completely lay off him and dare him to shoot the ball. Terrence totally clogs up our half-court offense and makes it impossible to be efficient, leading to turnovers, forced shots, and runouts against us. We simply can't afford to have Terrence out there. The ONLY time that we can have Terrence out there is if he has a defensive matchup that he can dominate so that he can help our reserves/small ball unit get out and run off the turnovers and bad shots that they generate. And when you look at this series, there is NOBODY that Terrence can check........save for the possibility of David Lee.....and I don't really know if he can check Lee either. But I KNOW FOR SURE he can't check anybody else that GS runs out there. I've seen this enough. Seen it over and over. Been watching it for 2 seasons now. I haven't been fooled by big stat lines against crappy teams or against good teams when half the opponents players are out injured and sick. I know what I'm looking at. You can talk about his "potential". You can rave about his tremendous "athleticism". Does not matter to me. WE ARE TRYING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!! Can't do it if we are running out guys in the rotation that can neither defend an opposing player effectively nor keep our half-court offense from getting clogged up. And that is where we are at with Terrence. He's a negative drag on both ends of the court. Simply can't have that in the rotation and expect to win a championship. Won't happen. It's not about Terrence. It's about this team winning a championship. He's got to go out of the rotation and eventually off the club for that to happen. We simply have to have positive play on at least one end of the floor to keep a guy in the rotation and win a championship.
Roots against him?? you actually think we root against our players how stupidly ignorant all your posts have been on this thread.....your talk has been about what you think of us fans not why jones is good player lol I want nothing but to win a championship and i root for jones just like i root for howard, but when you constantly get disappointed by the same person over and over there comes a point when its enough... Let me ask you this....when he pulls up for a shot what do you think?? you think he's gonna miss cuz if ou think otherwise your a biased human being When he goes up at the rim what do you think? you think he's gonna get blocked cuz he's proven over and over he's too soft to flush it the **** down When someone is backing him up in the paint what do you think? you think he's gonna score at will.... that tells you what you need to know, stop searching for ways to bash ppl who hate on a rocket player just cuz he's a rocket, we all want the same thing and thats to put the best players on the court, so GHTFO....
Agreed. Many posters don't want to read the truth. So they come up with this bologna that we are rooting against our own team. Total bull. And it really shows just what bandwagon fans they are. They have no idea what it takes to win a championship. You cannot have a player in the primary rotation that is a negative drag on the team on both ends of the court and expect to win a championship. Those of us that really want to win a championship recognize this and we see another opportunity to win a championship circling the drain. Mark my words. If McHale keeps running Terrence out there for 20+ minutes a night against the Warriors...we're done. And that pains me to say it. But it's the truth.
Bwhahahaha mute topic, we can not trade T. Jones right anyways. So sir the Title makes no earthly sense period. If he doesn't do nothing well we wouldn't have made it this deep into the playoff's either. Yes he played horrible last night but so did Terry, Brewer and Prigs. Do we need to trade them as well. Who the heck was guarding Livingston? You do know he sparked that come back in the 2nd quarter correct? He had what 16 points.
By the way, Whatever drivel Htownballer38 just put up, mark it down it is drivel. He has proven that he doesn't know anything about Terrence and how to evaluate talent. All he does is turn my posts into opportunities to make a personal attack, mostly off the subject. So he earned my ignore a long time ago. I'm sure he's posting drivel.
Spot on he actually just said prigs didnt play well yesterday...shows his lack of basketball knowledge actually, while teryy and brew might not have played well enough they are still threats on the court at all time on at least one end of the floor...JONES ISNT, everyone will sagg off him to the lane, and he will never shoot cuz he knows he's a disaster...and on D well i don't need to remind you about how good he is down there, even when his man isn't attacking him he can't box him out for the offensive rebound..what games are you pro jones ppl watching ffs
What is wrong with you? You are beyond fickle. Are you a rockets fan or not? If so: I'd suggest you root for jones and have confidence in him to play at the level he has shown he can achieve, because we aren't getting past the Warriors without him at 100% Get over yourself mate.
And just to be clear: basketballholic, you are a solid poster on these forums but your agenda against Jones is borderline nauseating. You don't rate him, we get it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you have made yours clear. Jones sucked today. Plain as day. However, I think you'd find you could come up with just as many arguments for why dmo will not be a good player or is a waste of time (personally I do not feel this way about either player). Bottom line is for whatever reason you dislike him and it shows in your 'evaluation' of his talent.
The issue with Jones is that he hasn't progressed as a player since he was a rookie. He's pretty much the exact same player today that he always was. He relies entirely on hustle and athleticism for everything he does on the court leading to inconsistent production since he's not really producing anything, just sometimes picking up scraps left by or created by others. As to trading him, you'd get nothing for him so at this point you might as well hold on to him as a bench player and hope that this off-season he improves his game in some way for the first time ever so that you can get something for him before the trade deadline next season.
What does a fake trade proposal have to do with anything? In this fake trade scenario sure I do the deal. I tell you what. When you get the GM role for Denver this Summer, and I take over Morey's role, send me that same trade proposal and I will approve. I'm being sarcastic here of course, but the point is screaming "Trade Jones NOW" doesn't equal = we are getting back a Lawson PG of course... duh. All "Trade Jones" means is just that. You are wanting to cast him off like a leper. Trade proposals are great, and fun, but they aren't reality. Jones is not a leper. He's a valuable contributor in his role, has been for a few years now, has another valuable year left on his contract, and is probably NOT going to net you a player like Ty Lawson in a trade as a centerpiece. We are in the Western Conference Finals right now. I'm just saying that we should come back down to reality for a second. Jones trade proposals can wait till the Summer if we know we are getting a healthy D-Mo back, Smith is also coming back, or we are trading for an upgrade that lends Jones useless at that point. As of now, the guy is a valuable needed contributor, and his production is difficult to replace at that contract level. We go through this seemingly ever freaking time Jones has a bad game. BBHollic, and that other Jones hater poster bring up this point every single time. Please do not fall into their narrative (Jones doesn't have an elite skill BS), and stoop down to their level of intellect. You seem better than that. Jones' best defined skill is that he does everything as a decent level. He has versatility, and IMO he's the perfect "Ideal Replacement PF" if you can't afford, or cannot get a star PF that is elite. He can do a little of everything and he's dirt cheap. Obviously you want an Elite PF on your roster, but injuries happen (D-Mo), sometimes your starter is volatile (Smith), and sometimes there just isn't any PF's on the market that you can upgrade to (See Morey trying to trade for Millsap, etc. last year). Jones' best skill is that he is here on the roster when we need him to be. He's not going wow anyone with 40% three point shooting, Hakeem like post moves, or Barkley level rebounding. If that's what you are looking for with Terrence Jones than you are totally missing the point of Terrence Jones. Let's come back down to reality here for a moment folks. Terrence Jones, as much as you love to hate him, has been valuable for this team, and can still be valuable on the roster in his role as that replacement player under certain scenarios.
My agenda is to see this team win a championship. I'm sorry it's such a hard pill for you and others to swallow. We won't win a championship this year if Terrence is top 7 in minutes played in this post season. His minutes have to drop to 8th or lower for us to even have a chance. Nobody has a thing on me in evaluating Terrence's talent. I'm not interested in talent. I'm interested in winning a championship. There are a thousand guys on the streets with more talent than Jones. Talent does not win championships. You have to have talent to win a championship. But if winning a championship were all about talent and nothing else then we'd have a different 15 guys on this roster. Terrence's game lacks skills and brains to help us win a championship. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't turn that talent into usable SKILLS and you don't have the brain power to use those SKILLS in a positive way to help a cause then all that talent is wasted. That's why there's a thousand guys running the streets that have more talent than many players in the NBA. Talent don't matter if you ain't got SKILLS and BRAINS.
I believed Terrence Jones was going to take a major step forward this year however that nerve injury really derailed him and most likely set him back til next year.
Cashmoney, 67 posts and you're going to go there? If you can't see that KLove would be a huge, huge significant upgrade to this team at the 4 spot......... then we shouldn't be conversing.
Bringing my post number into this. Really man? I'm dealing with a tough guy here. Just because I don't spend all day repeating the same thing and clocking up the posts doesn't mean I don't know my stuff. And let me tell you: Kevin Love is not the answer. Sure, he would improve the offense hands down. He's a legitimate spacing threat and he can really shoot the three ball, but he's not an elite shooter. He's also an underrated passer out of the post and off the high screen. He also has a solid post game and can make that 15 foot turnaround jumper. What he wouldn't be an upgrade on is defense. Signing love would require gutting half the roster, including dmo and smith most likely, our defense would become the most porous in the league. Anyway, going back to your original opinion. I agree with you that jones has been garbage lately, and your opinion is both thought out and logical. I have no problem with your opinion, it is a forum after all, thoughts and input is what it's about. But you don't have to go around tearing his name down at every opportunity, people get tired of that crap. Well damn. Not a bad opinion for a guy with 67 posts. Oh wait it's 68 now.
T Jones was disappointing in game 1.. he needs to be pwning Barnes and Green for us to have a semblance of a shot at winning this series.
Kevin Love... No. Derrick Williams, Ersan Ilyasova, Jason Smith, Ricky Rubio, and many more.... That's actually the answer. Just check his sig... duh.
