i think there is almost no chance in the world that Kobe will sit out next season...unless he's forced to sit out due to a conviction.
Until the facts are laid out it`s hard to know what happened and I dont want to presume anything about either one of them.
Not really that interesting. before I was a definate WAIT AND SEE GUY Giving ole Kobe the benefit of the doubt I still am I had already figured they had had sex I think that went without saying [he NEVER denied it] [He was at least smart enough to wait on the evidence before doing something that stupid] The Civil Suit WILL come. . . make no doubts about it but if it came now. . .if weakens the Criminal Case and therefore . . .eventually the Civil Case [They often us a criminal investigation to get evidence for a civil suit .. not that the Police are in on it. . but that is the way some lawyers work.] So simply put. .. . Let's Wait and See Innocent until proven guilty BTW . . . . nnaaaaa skip it . .. i won't bring up old sh*t and stir the mess Rocket River
I don't recall him saying anything was 'ok' I think this is what we KNOW 1. We have two people in a room 2. They had sex 3. They were loud [no explanation of the TYPE OF NOISE i.e. Yelling or moaning] 4. She says it is rape 5. He says she consented From what I have seen . . THIS IS ALL WE KNOW Adding sh*t in to fit our vision is ridiculous and I hope no jury member does something so amoral. Rocket River
No but he said "Now, it is up to the state to PROVE that Kobe raped her against her will, and if there are no witnesses and no bruises etc....it is just her word against his, and as a juror, I could never convict someone under that circumstance." So he was saying if there was no witness and no bruises Kobe would not be convicted if he was on the jury (since any conviction takes a unanamios decision I assume in Colorado).
Max- Do you think this would be phyiscal evidence such as pictures of bruising and such or could there be some other type of evidence?
not sure...could be. there may be medical evidence consistent with rape...signs of struggle, etc. honestly, i'm not sure. but i have a hard time believing this DA is prosecuting this case merely on a he said/she said basis. you might do that in a civil trial...but in a criminal trial you have to prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." you simply can't get there with merely he said, she said.
I don't believe the prosecutor would have filed charges if this was just a case of "he said, she said". They must have some kind of physical evidence.
And today, it comes out that Tom Leykis, the "Zippy the Pinhead" of radio talk-show hosts, named the freaking victim on his radio show. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2003/07/22/bryant_radio/ What an assclown/anus_mime!
I read a blurb in the sports section of the Chronicle this morning that some of the alleged victim's friends have spoken up and said they have seen physical evidence of the rape...not anything more specific than that. we'll wait and see, i guess.
Apparently, she was at a party three days before charges were filed, and was bragging about it. She was describing his penis when asked about it at the party. http://www.msnbc.com/news/942322.asp?0cv=CB10
how would you know this? how would you know that is all she wants? the speculation about this case is pathetic.. no one knows a damn thing about what happened, why dont we reserve judgement until the facts of the case are out there..
its amazing...this unknown girl, who a lot of people have labeled as just money-hungry, fame wanting crazy girl..is the only one NOT talking to the media....and people don't believe her but all these no-bodies..gettin on TV, newspaper, etc etc to talk crap....people just believe them, no problem... isn't there some kinda double-standard going on here?
and the plot thickens... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2003/07/22/bryant_radio/?cnn=yes Women's groups outraged by radio host LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -- The 19-year-old woman who accused Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant of rape was named Tuesday by a nationally syndicated talk-show host and on the Internet, pushing her into the spotlight despite pleas for privacy from her family. Rape counselors and mental health experts were outraged by the exposure of the young Colorado woman, saying that a victim of sexual assault would be further traumatized by public scrutiny. "That's like being raped again," if her accusations against Bryant are true, said Dr. Patricia Saunders, director of Graham Windham Manhattan Medical Center in New York City. "It's an intrusion. It's an utter violation of her right to privacy. It's a sadistic thing to do." News organizations, which typically have policies against naming sexual assault victims, have not identified the woman. But her name, address, telephone number and possibly her picture have surfaced on the Internet. Meanwhile Tom Leykis, host of a radio talk-show based in Los Angeles and aimed mostly at young men, began using her name on the air and told Reuters that he has no plans to stop. "We're told that rape is violence, not sex, and if that's true there's no reason she should feel shame or embarrassment," Leykis said, adding that he felt it unfair to name Bryant but not his accuser. The talk-show host, who is heard on 60 stations across the country, also said he did not believe the woman's claims. He said he believes the woman was seeking attention and money and that Bryant could be the "real victim" in the case. Saunders said Leykis' reasoning about rape and disclosure was a "distortion" because rape victims were often stigmatized by society. "Rape is a person using domination in sex to express aggression, if not outright sadism," she said. "Rape uses sex to debase a woman and to assert male dominance. (Leykis) has no right to take it upon himself to make that kind of decision. This guy violated what I think is an ethical law." Few details have been made public about the woman's accusations against Bryant, who is charged with class 3 sexual assault, the equivalent of rape under Colorado law. The 24-year-old superstar has denied attacking the woman, a concierge at the four-star Colorado resort where authorities say the attack took place. Eagle County authorities have refused to discuss evidence in the case and convinced a judge to seal the court file, which details the woman's allegations and the version of events that Bryant gave to police. A spokeswoman and victim's advocate for the Eagle County District Attorney's Office said victims of sexual attacks are told the road ahead of them will be difficult and are offered counseling. "But you don't know until you go through it," Krista Flannigan said. Bryant's lawyers could not be reached for comment. Meanwhile, the Denver Post, citing interviews with a friend of the woman, said she had suffered physical injuries that were still visible three weeks later. "She's been hurt, there's no question about that," Luke Bray told the Post. The paper said he would not describe the injuries. The Post also said that the woman's mother had asked her friends to stop talking with the news media. Bryant is scheduled to appear in court on Aug. 6 to hear the charges against him. The state's crime lab still processing evidence, according to Pete Mang, deputy director of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.
They should have done this to begin with. With all of her "friends" parading on TV it was only a matter of time before the reporters were able to figure out who she was. Having all those teenagers on TV giving their opinions on the matter was just stupid. They did more damage to her by going on TV.
