Yeah, no way in hell Atlanta would make that trade, however it was rumored at the trade deadline they offered SAR for Rice/Griffin. If they would still accept it, I'd pull the trigger.
There were some rumors about this guy around the deadline but nothing ever happened. I really think Shareef Abdur-Rahim is exactly what the Rockets need. He's a bit of a tweener but he puts up good rebounding numbers and can defiantly score. I don't think he's the type of player that can "put a team on his back" (as he's shown in both Van. and Atl) so to speak, but I think he would be one hell of a complimentary player for Francis and Yao. Atlanta being where they are, they are defiantly looking to make some changes. I think Mobley or Griffin, and Rice would be a good starting offer. I'm not sure if they have any interest in those players so maybe you bring in a third team but I don't think they would laugh at you. Seems everyone wants to trade Rice and his expiring contract but not take on a big contract in return to allow us under the cap. You will have to take another big contract in return but on a team not going anywhere and looking to get under the cap(Atl), you might be able to swing a pretty good player out of that. Although Les doesn't want to pay the luxury tax either so he may just let Rice play out his contract. Again, I would agree that SAR is not a player to build your team around, but if you could get him to compliment Steve and Yao then I think you might have something. I would much rather have him shooting the ball then Mobley, so his offense isn't missed. And his straight-up man defense can't be any worse then Griffins (although he won't block as many shots). IMO he is the upside for Griffin (numbers wise), if you could get the sure thing then why not. Plus he's only 28 or so. He's been in the league awhile but remember he came out as a freshman from UCLA. The only drawback as I see it is that it would leave us with no viable 2. Unless you think Posey can play the 2 for extended minutes, and even that’s is contingent upon us resigning him.
SAR is Kenny Thomas but he is way over paid. We didn't need KT ( I really liked KT) and we don't need SAR. If Ratliff can stay healthy I would love to have him though. Our PF needs to impact the game without the ball in his hands. SAR needs the ball.
I never understood why they didn't pull the deal when ATL wanted Griff and Rice for him. I would be happy if Griff turned out to be the offensive player SAR is. I don't know anything about his attitude/work ethic but, I wouldn't be sad if we dealt Griff and Rice for him. Of course I'd be fine with the giving Griff another couple years to see what he turns into as well. The thing that is scary to me is that I keep hearing thing about a questionable work ethic with regards to EG. Give me a F***ing break, how can you have a poor work ethic when you job is to work out and play a game for more jack then any 10 of us probably earn in a year.
What? Kenny Thomas has never averaged more than 14 points a game (one season, 10 points per game last season) or more than 8 rebounds a game. SAR has never averaged less than 18.7 points per game, his rookie year, and over the course of his career has averaged 8.4 boards a game, but has averaged more than 10 per game in a season. And based on his new contract, Kenny Thomas is overpaid, not SAR.
Kenny Thomas is no where near the player SAR is. Period end of story!!!!! Just look a quick look at the stats and you can see that. And that coming from a person who doesn't think stats tell the whole story. But I mean come on.
If we can get SAR without giving up Griffin then we should look into that. But doubtful that will happen. FYI, SAR has a big contract but is only on the books for 2 more years. No bad.
How many trades proposed on this board actually have a chance of being made? Cato is younger/bigger/cheaper that Ratliff. Keeping Ratliff could cause problems considering how unhappy he is in Atlanta. http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/38059.htm Don't under estimating the value of an expiring contract to a team in the rebuilding mode. Yes SAR is a top 25 player but they would be getting Taylor who could IMO score 16 to 18 ppg in the east and valuable cap space to add more talent in the future and they have shown in the past they are willing to trade SAR for capspace (Rice) and potential (Griffin). If we have to throw in Griffin (Atlanta C Crawford) so be it. The Rockets fell one game short of the playoffs year before last in the much tougher west starting Cato and Taylor.
The only problem with SAR that I see is that he puts up numbers, but his teams don't win. Not that KT is any better in that department, but SAR is seen as a 'franchise' type player. SAR hasn't won anywhere he has played, and has been in the league for quite awhile now...
This is better! Houston trades: SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.7 minutes) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) Houston receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (19.9 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 3.0 apg in 38.1 minutes) C Nazr Mohammed (4.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.8 minutes) Change in team outlook: +7.1 ppg, +6.1 rpg, and +1.1 apg. Atlanta trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (19.9 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 3.0 apg in 38.1 minutes) C Nazr Mohammed (4.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.8 minutes) Atlanta receives: SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 62 games) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) Change in team outlook: -7.1 ppg, -6.1 rpg, and -1.1 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED
He has never had any talent around him. Memphis was terrible, and ATL is an enigma - loads of talent but probably bad chemistry, not his fault. While I admit that some guys look great jacking up shots on bad teams, only to look crappy once they get on a good, I don't think this will happen with SAR. This guy has real ability - good midrange jumper, excellent in the low post, and handles the rock fairly well for a big man. With Yao's shot blocking his offense could be an assest. Plus he is also very young.
Well B-Bob, he can keep busting his ass and hustle that ass right off and he'll still never be the player SAR is. SAR has talent that KT just can't touch. I think SAR get a bad rap sometimes because he's never been able to put a team on his back and carry them to the playoffs. Hell, only a select few can!! Now given, his contract reflects that of a player who should be able to do that but I'm not about to try and defend that contract. What I am trying to say is he is exactly the type of player the rockets need. A "do it all foward", OK his handles may not be all that, but he can rebound, score, and play decent D. I really don't think defense was the Rockets problem last year, I think it was the other end of the court was where the Rockets fell short.
