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ESPN's early look at the West/playoff contenders

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by xiki, Jul 21, 2003.

  1. TheFreak

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    egn, how long have you had Mad Yao Disease?
     
  2. egn

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    if this team wasnt poorly coached wouldnt your beloved Rudy T still be a coach!

    and if in fact he was a good coach then why didnt he get any job offers?
     
  3. HotRocket

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    There were many times that Yao was stripped from the ball because he brought the ball down too low or waited too long to pass the ball. All the blame can not sit on the shoulders of the coaches, Yao just wasn't used to players being able to push him around and swarm him so quickly.

    Pat Brick was fairly good when it came to passing and playing through double teams. He should be able to help Yao or at least give him some tough comp. during practice.
     
  4. egn

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    i would say that would be a lack of coaching as well. techniques can be taught.
     
  5. codell

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    Techniques are taught and sometimes, players can be slow to pick them up. Ever thought about that? Takes some players more than a year to grasp what is taught to them.
     
  6. egn

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    i've thought about that. for about 4 years. i've been waiting for something to happen.
     
  7. agballer98

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    I think a lot of you are missing something here: WE JUST BARELY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR! It's not like we are totally starting from scratch and have nothing to work with here. All we need to do is win 2 or 3 more games, and we're in!

    I also think everyone is bashing on Mobley way too much. Here is the bottom line- someone has to shoot the ball. If you are open, and you are a good shooter, than you shoot the ball. You need to get scoring from the 2 and 3 positions, and they have to be able to shoot from the outside. Yes I do agree we need to get Yao more touches, but I also think Yao needs to get some more offensive rebounds so that he can score more and he needs to get more tip ins.

    What we need is less turnovers from Steve and more assists, better outside shooting in general, simply get rid of Eddie Griffin (I don't care what you guys say, the dude sucks- I'm tired of seeing him miss 3's, get beat down defensively, and where is all this athleticism? I simply don't see it), get Yao more touches- notice I didn't say isolation plays I said touches, and better help defense.
     
  8. heypartner

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    no, just the misread of my judgement that was based on dismissing the claims of ROY material. Go ahead and keep teasing me about it....it's just exposes you as someone who can't read a scouting report properly...;)

    I think most people remember me bashing Rigadeau mercilessly after Mobley's "he's garbage" quote, and remember that as me bashing Ginobili.

    What is it with Gino. People say all the time, "That guy is no star" like Mobley, for instance. But if you say that about Gino, then you are bashing him and calling him a bust.

    Gino is still overhyped...even after everyone is backing off the ROY claims. I mean, name all the SGs you'd take ahead of him. I mean, Shane Battier is a year younger, still. Gino's has a lot more flash and charisma and is fun to watch. But how many flashy passes does the guy get to make if he is not even the #2 playmaker on the team? Unspectacular, complementary efficiency of Battier, Brent Barry and Mike Miller is just as useful in that role. and imo, guys like Battier and Caron are better defenders, albeit Gino did surprise the hell out of me. But he takes risks, and I'm not so sure how well that translates without the best frontcourt defense in the NBA.
     
  9. heypartner

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    sigh, no edit

    meant to say, people say all the time that this or that NBA player "is no star"--Mobley being an example. The way I wrote it looked like I was saying many people say Gino is no star like Mobley.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    heyp,

    hate to admit this, but your eloquent defense will generate a few more rounds of Gino teasing from B-Bob at a time of my choosing. :)

    For the record, I remember the thread very clearly, and heypartner did not really bash Gino at all. There was a Spurs fan who got all upset when ROY consideration was rightly questioned. And heypartner had been to a preseason game, I believe, and he had seen a Mobley-Ginobili (still my favorite two word combo spoken aloud) match up that did not favor Gino too much.

    I don't know why I find it funny. I will say I've been surprised how Gino racks up steals, and that +/- analysis of impact carries some weight with yours truly.
     
  11. Easy

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    I don't think we are remembering your Rigaudeau bashing as Gino bashing. You said a lot harsher things about the former. But you also said more than just "He is no star" about Ginobili. Since search is off, we can't dig it up to prove exactly how you put it either way.

    It's just fun to tease you on this because we all know that you love the scouting game and this was one of the few times you're wrong. And it's especially fun because we also know that you are very anti-overhyped-foreign-players. You are lucky there aren't more teasing about your Nitwits remarks too. :)
     
  12. rimbaud

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    My memory of hp's Gino comments:

    1. He will not be close to ROY

    2. Boki will most likely be better in the end (because Gino was older and if he was better would have been brought to the NBA sooner)

    3. He will get stripped/denied alot when driving the lane due to his poor ball placement, etc. as a result of non-existant lane defense in the Euroleague

    4. I think there was something about him not being a Peja-type shooter?

    Can't remember anything else...
     
  13. daniel-bfl

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    If we get 45 wins and fail to reach the playoff, we should ask David Stern to have a play-in game for the Big Easy's 8th spot between West's 45win-but-9th team and East's 30win-but-8th team.

     
  14. sonique15

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    with the jazz not going to make the playoffs next year, the roks are going too.....if they dont i will seriously consider movin to San Antonio......heard its pretty there.....
     
  15. RocksMillenium

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    The Rockets don't need to necessarily sign a free agent they're already deep. Adding another shooter or so would help though, but the Rockets have the talent and bench to make the playoffs.

    People like to lay this at the feet of Jeff Van Gundy, but conveniently forget that he did that with a team without a PG, or a center. Yet he STILL got New York playing well enough to be a playoff threat.
     
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    Are you kidding me, the Lakers don't have a bench, even Lakers fans are admitting that! They're going to try and ride their All-Stars and hope they get some production, but the Lakers don't have a bench. I mean really, if anyone in the Lakers starting line-up get hurt, do they really have a replacement for them? No. And why would Mo's other leg go out!? The Rockets have a better bench then the Lakers, and one of the better benches in the NBA.
     
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    I don't know what it was, but it must have been hard because the year the Knicks went to the NBA Finals, and then the conference finals the following year under Van Gundy they were a running team. The problem is that they didn't have a PG so it tended to be sloppy, but Van Gundy definitely opened up the floor.
     
  18. rimbaud

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    When you think about it, it is pretty insane that a team with a one-dimensional Houston, talented but out of position Sprewell, paper thin and frail Camby, and not much else went to the Finals.
     

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