Hypocrites.

Olajuwon wants to leave because of playing time and a chance to win a championship. All those reasons show selfishness on Hakeem's part. If you think Hakeem hasnt been playing because of his "injury" then you are wrong. I'm sure he is demanding for something to be done and has told the rocks that he wont play. He has put the rocks organization in an akward place because no matter what happens, this sheds a bad light on them.Other fans and the media accuse them of not respecting Dream for what he has given us, and if they waive him he loses his mystique and its just a no win situation. With Francis he TOLD their management, perhaps the worst in the league, that he would not play for them yet they, like the dumbasses they are, drafted him. They needed a power forward, yet they drafted a player who played the same position as their other number 2 pick. Steve is certainly to blame for that fiasco Francis was a player that had done nothing for the Vancouver franchise and their fans had not become attached to him. Also ,unlike the rocks in the Pippen trade, the Grizz got some pretty damn good compensation in Mike, Othella, some scrubs and a 1st rounder. Steve didnt make the Vancouver franchise look bad like some have said. The Vancouver franchise has been a joke since its inception into the league.

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[This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited January 20, 2001).]

 

The freak..these are two different situations..francis told the team beforehand not to draft him to help both parties sake they didnt and got what they deserved..although we gave them talent for him..as a rockets fan why would i not rejoice an all star pg coming here..
on hakeem..i beg to differ we owe him anything, yes it is great he brought us two championships..dont get me wrong im an hakeem fan..but let me reiterate what other people said one person does not make a team..also if anything he should be thanking rudyt for not shipping him to toronto, so if anything he should be loyal..all he had to do was say he wasnt gonna retire last offseason..shut his mouth and play out the yr..plus hes not gonna be moved unless it opens up cap space for us to make a run at webber/sign mo and shandon..because the truth is we still need him. my final take he needs to play out the yr then move on(he should retire..hes tarnishing his image) and if anyone owes someone anything hakeem owes the city of houston for embracing him like we did at u of h and the rockets..were the ones who made him feel welcomed..

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I bet Hakeem wishes he had been traded to Toronto. They would pretty much be the best team in the east, and Hakeem would have a chance for a title by making the finals. I agree that he should play out the year. That, however, is up to the Rockets organization. If Rudy decides to utilize Hakeem properly, all will be good with the Rockets again.

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To h*ll with the Francis analogy - how does he get dragged into this? He's working his butt off for this team (people change, just like Hakeem - remember?). Let's stick to the subject at hand - Hakeem.

We passed up a good trade out of loyalty and nothing else, now he wants out and wants Les to pay him $16M to play elsewhere when his team desperately needs a center? What kind of selfish garbage is that?

He wants more court time? Even with the limited minutes that he gets, he cannot hold up physically.

Wake-up Hakeem. We still love you but show some grace. It's embarrassing.



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Embarassing? To who? I really don't see why Hakeem would care if a select bunch of internet-fans disagree with his "behavior". Its time for the Hakeem bashers to wake up, and realize that if they were in Hakeem's shoes, they would probably make the same decisions he is making now. He wants to do his job, but the Rockets won't let him. He has every right to act the way he has been acting. Hakeem bashers- get a bloody clue.
Hakeem wants to play- Rudy won't let him, so Hakeem wants to go where he can be utilized. There is nothing wrong with that.

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"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."

 

Hmmm, let me think. Maybe not practicing, sulking after games when he thinks he hasn't gotten the ball, getting more public and insistent every day about wanting to play for another team.

Yes,he is quiting on the Rockets. I don't care how unhappy he is with his "current situation", he needs to realize he is not the player he once was and adjust his freaking game.

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ZRB your analysis of this situation is hilarious.

Would you say that the Lakers extending Shaq's contract was being loyal, or making a smart basketball decision.

Hmmmmm, maybe its b/c Shaq was in the middle of his prime and 5 yrs younger than Hakeem was when he received his contract? Hakeem was 33-34 yrs old when he received his fat 5 yr extension AND the Rockets didnt deal him to Toronto when they had the opportunity.

If the Rockets hadn't drafted Hakeem, another team would have, so don't start saying that he owes the Rockets anything.

I dont know how I couldve handled having Michael Jordan on this team. You do know that Air Jordan was picked AFTER Dream right? I wouldve been so sad to see 6 championship banners hanging from rafters instead of 2 let me tall ya.





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There is an obvious fundamental difference between Hakeem's current situation and the situation with Francis in Vancouver. Steve's comments came before he was drafted and before he signed a contract. He had not made a commitment to the team. Hakeem's comments have come after he signed a contract. He should have weighed the possibility that at the end of the contract his skills would be diminished and the team may be going in a different direction. Perhaps he did, but it seems he didn't.

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What Pippen did was different because he started publicly criticizes a teammate (Barkley) in order to force a trade. Francis had just been drafted and didn't owe the Grizzles anything, whereas the Rockets have been loyal to Hakeem for 17 years and he owes them as much as they owe him.

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Freak, I'm still trying to figure out why you're still a Rockets' fan. I mean, it's obvious you hate the fans of the team, and it's more obvious that you like the parts rather than the sum (you couldn't even get upset when Elie quit on the team). I guess you'll be starting a Heat BBS in the near future?

I can be honest enough with myself to say that I'd hate Francis if he did that to the Rockets. I also understand completely why the Grizz fans hate Francis. The difference is, Francis didn't do it to my team. I could care less what he did before as long as he never does it to my team. And if he leads us to 14 championships in a row, then wants to screw the Rockets by not honoring his contract, guess what? I'll be saying the same things about him that I'm saying about Dream. Don't try to f*ck over my team, I don't care who you are or what you've done.

See ya Tuesday!

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No one knew just how good MJ was going to be. Don't say that the Rockets deliberately passed him up to be nice to Hakeem. Hakeem was putting up GREAT numbers when he got that extension. He may not have been as young as Shaq, but the Rockets would have been pretty stupid not to resign him.

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"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."

 

and not one person knew how good hakeem was going to be.

i've seen too many posters here claiming how we wouldn't have won without hakeem. guess what? we would have probably won more with MJ. no b****ing, just the truth. we don't owe hakeem anything more than cheers, memories, and $16 million dollars.

he owes us a few more months of playing 100%. and as long as he doesn't do it, i say he's being a punk. does anyone here believe hakeem has been playing his hardest this year? how many times have you seen him RUN up court? how many times have you seen him JUMP for a board? yes, he has been productive - that is a credit to his talent, but i have not seen him playing 100% - injuries notwithstanding.

broke knee, migraine, ulcers, chronic flatulation...whatever. i don't care. i want 100% of what you can do. and i don't think hakeem's doing that. if he'll clam up and play hard the rest of the season, all is forgiven.

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Knowing the Rockets, they would have drafted Sam Bowie. Its always a good move to draft a center over a guard, anyway.

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[This message has been edited by ZRB (edited January 21, 2001).]

 

You really are a freak the Freak. FRANCHISE IS OUR SUPERSTAR MORON!

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Freak, since you have chosen to play the part of Hakeem's defendant, i would like to see a reply to this post, since you ignored it in the other tread.

And i still stand by my Pippen comparison.

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Knowing the Rockets, they would have drafted Sam Bowie.

I suppose you were sitting in the front office with them and were privy to their conversations regarding the draft? You are just ASSUMING that since Portland made the mistake, the Rockets would do the same. Forget the fact that the Blazers had reasons (even though misguided ones) for making that pick. Lets completely ignore all that and ASSUME the Rockets would have taken Bowie over Jordan. You crack me up. Get over it, the Rockets have more than re-paid anything they owed Dream, and he is not holding up his end of the bargain. Just live with it, Dream is not as golden as your mind perceives him to be.


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Thanos, thats an excellent point on Barkley's loyalty. When the Rockets traded for him, Barkley spoke about how grateful he was to the Rockets management since they had continuously tried to acquire him over the course of the previous season and in the end gave up such a huge amount. This is likely a major part of the reason why he chose to remain in Houston and not bolt to the Lakers in pursuit of his championship ring. At any point after he became a FA, Barkley could have taken the easy road and bolted to the Lakers to get his ring, but he remained loyal to the Rockets management that showed so much respect for him in a continual effort to acquire him.

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If Dream wants to be waived so bad, then waive him......of course, on the condition that he gives up the eight million dollars that he's supposed to be paid for the rest of the season. If he's willing be honorable like that, then it really is all about his love of the game and his desire to win.

Of course, if he's not willing to give back a pro-rata portion of his income, then he's just a lying sack of ****, and he deserves to rot on the bench.

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You know what else is hypocrisy? Talking about loyalty and staying with one franchise for your entire career and then when you're no longer the focal point on the team asking to be traded. When that toronto deal fell through all I saw on tv was Rudy and CD and Dream rambling about being loyal to each other. Rudy and CD pulled through and stayed loyal to Dream, but what about Dream? He wants out, so much for loyalty. If you want a hypocrite look at #34, I guess staying with one city for his entire college and pro career isnt as important to him as he made it seem back then.

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