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Amico Report, Yao makes Rox biggest challenge to Lakers?

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    The Amico Report is a free e-mail newsletter from pro basketball columnist Sam Amico. Sam covers the NBA for various publications and Web sites.

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    -- This has nothing to do with the summer leagues ... but second-year Houston center Yao Ming just might steal the spotlight from the NBA's other young players next season. Yao is reportedly practicing up to 12 hours a day, and you can be sure he'll be much more aggressive with heavy-handed Jeff Van Gundy as his coach. I don't think anyone will be beat the Lakers, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rockets replace San Antonio and Sacramento as L.A.'s biggest threat.

    THE NBA IS BACK

    Lots of random summer thoughts:

    -- Don't you feel more excited about the NBA than at any time since Michael Jordan was still a Chicago Bull? I sure do. I mean, when was the last time there was this much buzz surrounding the league in July? The answer is a long, long time. There's Karl Malone and Gary Payton in L.A., Alonzo Mourning and Jason Kidd in New Jersey, and yes, LeBron James in Cleveland. Or how about the coaches? Larry Brown is in Detroit, Jeff Van Gundy in Houston, Tim Floyd in the Big Easy. In other words, there are already a lot of good stories to follow, and they'll only become more interesting as we get closer to the season. No doubt, this is something the NBA has needed since Jordan's shot sunk the Utah Jazz in the 1998 Finals.

    -- Another question everyone seems to be asking: When was the last time a team became as star-studded during the off-season as the current Lakers? My first answer usually is the 1982-1983 Philadelphia 76ers, who stole Moses Malone from Houston for Caldwell Jones and a No. 1 pick. Those Sixers featured Malone, Julius Erving, Andrew Toney and Maurice Cheeks, and lost just one playoff game on their way to the championship. But as far as a team picking up TWO future Hall-of-Famers who are as established as Payton and Karl Malone are ... well, I'm not sure it's EVER happened during an off-season, or even any other time.

    -- Some readers have e-mailed wondering if the current Lakers have TOO MUCH star power. They wonder how well Malone and Payton will fit in with Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal, and how well the incoming veterans will adjust to taking less shots and being the third and fourth options. Those are good questions, and if they were playing for any coach other than Phil Jackson, there might be a reason for concern. But we all know Jackson is a master when the idea is handling large egos, helping them mesh into a team in the truest sense.

    -- Plus, let's not forget that Payton and Malone took large pay cuts to play for a championship. That alone shows a lot of unselfishness, and proves they're willing to do whatever it takes to hoist the trophy.

    -- I'm still not sold on the idea of LeBron James playing point guard in Cleveland. One thing I'm absolutely sure of is that James cannot guard opposing point guards, as Boston first-round pick Marcus Banks made LeBron look silly during their summer league game, as did second-year man J.R. Bremer. And as much as I like Banks and Bremer, they're not exactly Payton and Kidd.

    -- That's not to say James can't ever run the point on offense. It's clear he is an excellent passer and handles the ball better than anyone his size since Magic Johnson. But I envision James as more of a shooting guard, or better yet, a point-forward, a la Scottie Pippen with the Bulls. A lot of people compare James to Magic, but I like to think of him as a more-athletic Larry Bird when the idea is hitting teammates for easy baskets from the forward position. Obviously, James doesn't have Bird's outside shot, but he is extremely bright and always seems to make the right decision with the ball.

    -- Yes, I realize that Bird and Magic weren't great one-on-one defenders, so hold those e-mails. But they weren't horrible, either. Both had some nifty tricks to make up for their lack of lateral quickness, and both were very good in the team concept. They knew how to play the passing lanes and put a body on their man. James has plenty of time to develop in this area, and it will all come down to how hard he's willing to work at it. Since no one's ever questioned his work ethic, you have to believe he'll figure it out eventually. Right now, though, his defense is just plain bad.

    -- It's also clear that LeBron is indeed further along than either Kobe or Tracy McGrady were when they came out of high school. LeBron is much more fundamentally sound than either of those two were. Heck, LeBron may be more fundamentally sound than either of those two NOW -- and that's no knock on Kobe or T-Mac. It's just to show you how far along James already is.

    -- The Cavaliers really should try to trade Ricky Davis and Dajuan Wagner for an experienced point guard. James could start at off-guard in place of Davis, leaving the small forward slot for Darius Miles, who has been playing with renewed passion in the summer leagues. I know, I know, Davis averaged 20 points per game last season, and he truly is a remarkable athlete. But almost anyone in the NBA can average 20 points if they take enough shots and play selfishly. And weren't Davis' 20 points pretty much irrelevant considering the Cavs won just 17 games?

    -- As for Wagner, maybe I'm giving up on the second-year guard too early, but he's always injured and reportedly has a less-than-stellar work ethic. He can't the handle the ball well enough to play the point, and he hasn't exactly shown a penchant for filling it up from the two guard spot. Wagner could still become a poor man's Allen Iverson, but I just don't think it'll happen in Cleveland.

    -- Do you ever wonder if LeBron James will make the All-Star team next season even if he only averages 10-12 points per game (which is quite possible)? Let's face it, you just know the guy is gonna lead the Eastern Conference in votes, no matter how well he plays.

    -- Having said all of that, here are my final thoughts on LeBron for the week: He's GOOD. Really good. I never expected to see an 18-year old have an excellent chance of being one of the top five players in the league -- but that's exactly the type of potential James has for his rookie season. A lot of times, players like LeBron are creations of today's over-the-top society, but that's not the case here. I think we're looking at a future Hall-of Famer, and that's coming from someone who despises jumping on the bandwagon.

    MORE SUMMER STUFF

    -- This has nothing to do with the summer leagues ... but second-year Houston center Yao Ming just might steal the spotlight from the NBA's other young players next season. Yao is reportedly practicing up to 12 hours a day, and you can be sure he'll be much more aggressive with heavy-handed Jeff Van Gundy as his coach. I don't think anyone will be beat the Lakers, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rockets replace San Antonio and Sacramento as L.A.'s biggest threat.

    -- It's hard for me to envision Washington forward Kwame Brown ever being anything more than a solid player off the bench. I'm not sure what made Michael Jordan choose Brown over Chicago's Eddy Curry or Tyson Chandler in the 2001 draft, but you have to think those two will ALWAYS be the better players. Brown still spends too much time standing, watching, and just generally acting like he doesn't care. One general manager told me, "The money has gone straight to Kwame's head. It appears he's pretty much lost interest in basketball."

    -- Speaking of guys who seem to have lost interest in basketball, maybe the only thing Michael Olowokandi needs is a fresh start and to have Kevin Garnett screaming in his face. If so, I really like what the Timberwolves have done this off-season, as Olowokandi and Sam Cassell are nice additions.

    -- As for Rasho Nesterovic in San Antonio, well, he's big and he takes up space, and that's about it. I still think the Spurs could've spent their money on someone with a little more toughness, but word is, Tim Duncan is pleased with the acquisition. And don't you think 90 percent of winning in the NBA is keeping your superstar content?

    -- Look for the Clippers to match Miami's offer to Elton Brand -- and probably Utah's for Corey Maggette, and Denver's for Andre Miller. They probably won't be so quick to match another team's offer for forward Lamar Odom, assuming he gets one. But Clippers owner Donald Sterling and GM Elgin Baylor don't want to let Brand get away, and they also realize Maggette has improved drastically each season and is on his way to becoming an All-Star. As for Miller, the Clips seem like they want to give him another chance in L.A. Granted, these are the Clippers we're talking about, but it's all true.

    -- Vince Carter will be happy to know forward Chris Bosh has been playing very well for Toronto's summer league team. In fact, so far, Bosh is quietly having the best summer of any first-round pick (including LeBron James). Veteran point guard Mateen Cleaves and rookie free-agent forward Matt Bonner have also been faring well for the Raptors. By the way, don't you think forward Jerome Moiso was a very underrated free-agent pickup for Toronto?

    -- Rookie forwards Brian Cook and Luke Walton have proven to be everything the Lakers hoped for when they drafted them -- as both are acting unselfish and displaying a strong feel for the game. Former troubled high school star Leon Smith hasn't looked so good, and will be forced to try to land someplace else.

    -- Golden State's Mike Dunleavy and Jiri Welsch have been two of the best players in the L.A. summer pro league. Those two usually combine to score more than half the Warriors' total points. Also, first-round pick Mickael Pietrus has looked great, prompting one scout to tell me, "Had Pietrus played high school ball in Akron, Ohio, rather than professionally overseas, people might be asking, 'LeBron who?'" And no, the scout doesn't work for the Warriors.

    -- Charlie Bell, Greg Stempien, and A.J. Bramlett are some of the names you may know on the Nuggets' summer roster.

    -- New York rookie forward Michael Sweetney is one of my absolute favorites, but even I have to admit there are times he's looked overwhelmed in the Boston summer league. I love how Sweetney has the ability to get to the free-throw line, but he clearly has little idea of what it takes to defend in the low post at this level. Still, I think the guy is gonna be awesome in a few years.

    -- The Wizards' starting guards this summer are pretty familiar with each other, as we all know how Juan Dixon and Steve Blake played together during Maryland's NCAA championship run two seasons ago. Blake looks like a nice addition, even if he did go 0 of 8 from the floor in his first game. Also, first-round pick Jarvis Hayes has been spectacular, practically scoring at will.

    -- One guy I'm really pulling for who's playing with the Wizards is point guard Marcus Taylor, a second-round pick by Minnesota last summer. Taylor hasn't done very well, but he has loads of potential, and I'm just amazed that the kid hasn't gotten a real chance to be a backup somewhere. (Are you listening, Utah and Milwaukee?)

    -- A couple of Bucks fans took exception to my note about rookie point guard T.J. Ford last week, when I stated that he'd be all alone in the backcourt. Reader Steve Melch e-mailed, "Obviously, you've forgotten about Michael Redd, who has proven he deserves a chance to start at shooting guard. Also, Desmond Mason can play in the backcourt if needed." Steve is right -- Redd is indeed ready. Another guy who might help is Norm Richardson, the former Hofstra star who spent some time with the Indiana Pacers. Richardson is a hard worker who is currently playing well for Milwaukee's summer team.

    -- Second-year guard Dan Dickau has played very well for Atlanta, and draft picks Boris Diaw and Travis Hansen have also looked good. Diaw probably won't ever be much of a scorer in the NBA, but he could turn into a defensive stopper and hustler along the lines of Indiana's Ron Artest and Dallas' Eduardo Najera. Two of my other favorites on the Hawks' summer roster are Corey Benjamin, an exciting swingman, and Chris Porter, a former second-round pick who definitely should find a roster spot some place.

    -- I really like watching Philadelphia's summer team, as all five starters have a shot to contribute next season. The regular starters: John Salmons, Sam Clancy, Efthimios Rentzias, Kyle Korver and Willie Green. I especially like watching Green, who's very good at slashing to the basket and pulling up for quick jumpers in the key. He kind of reminds me of former Detroit guard Vinnie Johnson. I know, I'm old.

    -- Ex-Boston guard Chris Herran scored 19 points to lead the Mavericks in a summer league game against Atlanta. One of my favorite veteran free agents, forward Marcus Goree, added 11.

    -- Udonis Haslem has been very good for the Spurs' summer entry, grabbing rebounds and hitting shots near the basket at will. He'd be a nice, young addition off the bench. A.J. Guyton and Devin Brown are two other names you may know with the Spurs.

    -- Finally ... sorry, Pitt fans, I have no idea what's become of little point man Brandin Knight. As far as I can tell, he's not been invited to try out for any NBA team. But stop sending those angry e-mails to ME. I'm not his agent, ya know.

    -- As usual, thanks for reading and e-mailing your questions and comments. I promise to get back to printing your feedback next week. In the meantime, enjoy the summer leagues and keep sending me your NBA thoughts!

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    This has nothing to do with the summer leagues ... but second-year Houston center Yao Ming just might steal the spotlight from the NBA's other young players next season. Yao is reportedly practicing up to 12 hours a day, and you can be sure he'll be much more aggressive with heavy-handed Jeff Van Gundy as his coach. I don't think anyone will be beat the Lakers, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rockets replace San Antonio and Sacramento as L.A.'s biggest threat.

    Now this is the best part of the article. It would be nice to see the Rockets pose a threat to the Lakers. I think we can take on Malone, Payton, Shaq, and Kobe. We have quality players on this team. Just have to run w/ the right chemistry. And I know JVG can put that together.
     
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    The amount of Flopping and 'star' calls in LA
    will be ridiculous

    Rocket River
     
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    I just thought of that RR. You are right. That is going to be aweful to watch.
     
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    Yao is practicing 12 hours a day!?!?! :eek:. I played ball for about 3 hours yesterday and that was a lot. Thats ridiculous.
     
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    That's exactly what most of the people here are worried about.
     
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    I wonder if Wind&Sea or anybody can get some confirmation about Yao working 12 hours a day. He might be with his teammates in a gym for 12 hours a day, but it's highly unlikely he's actually literally practicing 12 hours a day. Obviously, there has to be breaks in there somewhere.
     
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    Understood, and agreed. It was a 'sensational' comment. One question is how to define working 12 hrs/day. Includes weight work, video, and on court? But, still -- 12 hrs a day?

    It was nice to hear someone prop Yao like that, however
    ...biggest challenge to Lake Show? I doubt that, but still...
     
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    I thought he was referring to marketing, not basketball. Yao is working 12 hours-a-day on his street cred. ;)
     
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    Not to worry....Him practicing with and against other memebers of the Chinese National Team is probably the equivalent of the Rockets practicing against the Comets...Not only that, I doubt if he is running up and down for the full 12 hours. From the pics posted yesterday, it looks like he is benefitting from the work!
     
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    I believe the 12 hours a day is a overplay of words. Yao is working out to the Rockets pescribed regime in addition to the Chinese National team workouts. I've read reports that Yao is very relaxed and is not at all played out like he was last year.
     
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    When Magic played PG at LA, did he always defend the opponent PG like Zeke, Price, DJ...?
     
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    Magic only guarded the passing lanes and D boards...and was still the greatest!
     
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    If that's the case....did Isiah get 40 everytime they met?
     
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    From what I read, Yao Ming is getting 4 to 5 hours trainning
    max a day in China, maybe less. If you are familiar with Chinese trainning routines, you will know that they get up around 7 to 8, breakfast, then 2 or 3 hour trainning, lunch, 2 hour nap, then 1 or 2 hour trainning, free time before dinner, then medical time or free time before 10, lights out exactly at 10. Atheletes who dont go to bed at 10 will be purnished, sometimes kicked out of NT.

     
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    Yao should miss his bedtime on purpose so he get skicked off the NT and then be all ours!:D
     
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    Can't you just see Phil "the Snake" Jackson talking to Malone about letting Yao come into him and then keeling off like Mercutio.
    Man it is going to be ugly.
     
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    And hopefully they won't get Reggie Miller, although I wouldn't doubt it.
     
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    I love Ming and I love his game, BUT, only the U.S. military could be a real threat to the new Lakers. If they have any chemistry at all, they are an ALL-STAR team. If Kobe is off, which is rare, Payton will go wild and after Shaq scores 40, he will start kicking out to Malone just for fun. Hey, and they are all good defenders. If the Rockets scare the Lakers I will be one of the happiest people in America; I will also be one of the most surprised.
     
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    Thursday, July 17, 2003
    Lakers will be doomed if history repeats itself

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    By Frank Hughes
    Special to ESPN.com

    In 1802, Thomas Jefferson commissioned Meriwether Lewis to lead a party across then undiscovered America in order to, among many things, chart a route to the West. For four years, Lewis was literally king of his domain, which at the time consisted of the Western two-thirds of the United States. When he returned to civilization in 1806, Lewis was the toast of the town -- well, what there was of a town back then. He was hailed as a hero, a visionary, a pioneer.

    Soon thereafter, though, Lewis discovered what Dennis Rodman is now encountering: That fame is fleeting, that appreciation is short-lived, and that once you are out of the spotlight, nobody really cares. Lewis descended into depression, alcohol abuse, drug use and ultimately committed suicide in 1809, three short years after he was universally recognized as a history-maker.

    My point is this: Lewis's tragedy happened after he had become accustomed to being in charge and then praised for only four years. Karl Malone was Utah's Meriwether Lewis for 18 years; Gary Payton was Seattle's Meriwether Lewis for 12½ years; and Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant have been L.A's Lewis and Clark for seven years, and it admittedly took them some time to work on and work out their natural differences.

    PAST HALL OF FAME FOURSOMES IN L.A.
    1984 Lakers
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Magic Johnson
    Bob McAdoo
    James Worthy
    Note: Lost to Celtics 4-3 in NBA Finals.
    1983 Lakers
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Magic Johnson
    Bob McAdoo
    James Worthy
    Note: Lost 4-0 to 76ers in NBA Finals.
    1982 Lakers
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Magic Johnson
    Bob McAdoo
    James Worthy
    Note: Defeated 76ers 4-2 in NBA Finals.
    1971 Lakers
    Elgin Baylor
    Wilt Chamberlain
    Gail Goodrich
    Jerry West
    1970 Lakers
    Elgin Baylor
    Wilt Chamberlain
    Gail Goodrich
    Jerry West
    Note: Lost to Knicks 4-3 in NBA Finals.

    That's almost 45 years worth of seriously intense ego. What's going to happen when they all come together?

    In a town where sycophantic adulation is in great abundance, there still is only so much that can be bestowed upon one basketball team. And so while the rest of the world is preparing the coronation parade for the Lakers for the fourth time in five years, I remain, well, somewhat skeptical.

    This is not to say that the Lakers can't or won't win yet another title. Their talent is vast.

    But it is to suggest that there are many, many, many, many, many issues on this team that will need to be addressed before we begin to consider the absurdity of an 82-0 season.

    First and foremost are the egos. It's easy to say that each player is going to subjugate his personality for the sake of the team, but we heard that before and saw the result in Portland. Just going by statistics, Shaq has averaged 27.6 points and 19 shots a game over his career; Kobe has averaged 21.5 points and 17 shots a game, though he averaged 24 shots a game last season when Shaq was injured; Malone has averaged 25.4 points and 18 shots a game; and Payton has averaged 18.3 points and 16 shots a game. That is a combined average of 92.8 points and 71 shots a game for a team that averaged 100 points and 83 shots a game last year. Somebody is going to have to decrease their production, but all four are accustomed to being the primary focus of their respective offenses. And this comes at a time that Shaq said the Lakers did not four-peat because they went away from going to him in the post, and at a time that Kobe has consistently increased his shot and scoring production in each season.

    It also comes at a time that Malone is in hot pursuit of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's scoring title. Malone, with 36,374 points, is currently 2,013 points behind Kareem's total of 38,387, which means that to get the scoring title next season, he has to average 24.5 points a game. That, on this team, is not going to happen, so Malone basically is setting back his pursuit of the scoring title by perhaps a year, maybe more. How long will it take that fact to dawn on Malone?

    Phil Jackson is, of course, supposed to be the steadying hand in this. Jackson is successful because he is able to set a pecking order, of sorts, among his players, but is able to place a firm hand on his stars when it becomes necessary. Are Payton and Malone really going to respond to Jackson's head games? Let me paint a picture: I have a Gary Payton talking bobblehead in my home office, and when I press it a fourth time this is what it says: "Hey rookie, grab a notepad, cause you're about to get took to school." This is not so much to make fun of Payton's grammatically incorrect verbiage as it is to point out that there will be a stark dichotomy the first time that Jackson tries to hand Payton a book on the finer points of existentialism and how it relates to teamwork.

    How long will it take Malone to get irked that Kobe comes off the pick and shoots every time rather than hitting Malone on the roll?


    These players have histories, and not all of it is good. The most glaring problem is between Malone and Kobe. Let's not forget that in the 1997-98 All-Star Game, coached by George Karl, Malone was extremely miffed that Kobe waved Malone away in a pick-and-roll situation. Malone went so far as to say that he was considering boycotting future All-Star games because if he was getting sent away on one of the most basic plays in the game, then maybe the All-Star game had passed him by. It makes me wonder how Malone and Kobe are going to fit into a triangle offense that doesn't run a great deal of pick-and-rolls. And even if it does run more than it usually does, how long will it take Malone to get irked that Kobe comes off the pick and shoots every time rather than hitting Malone on the roll?

    Shaq and Malone admit that they didn't particularly like each other until the 1996 Olympics. As the story goes, both were the only Olympians who would lift weights every day. They each came into the weight room and lifted at opposite ends, never talking to one another. One day, Shaq opened a dialogue, and both said they have a better understanding of one another now. We'll see.

    Payton and Bryant have had verbal confrontations during games. On Dec. 11, 2001, at the end of a Sonics' blowout victory in Los Angeles, Payton and Bryant stood at halfcourt. Payton, who scored 29 points in the game while holding Bryant to 7-for-23 shooting, approached Bryant and began chirping loudly into his ear. Bryant, never one to back down, got nose to nose with Payton and began talking back. Teammates and officials had to calm down both players before things escalated. "He is a little bigger," Payton said at the time, "but I am feisty." I also thought it was telling that while at the ESPYs Wednesday night, Payton said that he had not yet spoken to Kobe about joining the team -- though, to be sure, Kobe has had some other stuff to think about lately.

    And finally, while I know it's hard to believe, Payton and Malone have a contentious history. In a May 3, 2001 playoff game between the Sonics and Jazz, won by Seattle, here is an account of the completion of the game:

    By the end, what once was mutual respect had turned into disdain, with Karl Malone walking off the court after getting ejected, shouting at Seattle point guard Gary Payton, "See you in Utah."

    "Payton -- who recorded the first playoff triple-double of his career with 35 points, 11 assists, 10 rebounds and six steals -- continued to taunt Malone as only Payton can, mocking Malone by yelling, "I'm scared." It drew Malone out of the tunnel and back onto the court to confront Payton.

    Teammates from both sides intervened before a melee broke out, but the tone unquestionably has been set for Game 5, to be played in Utah.

    Payton stuck the knife in a little further, though, when he made an unnecessary shot at the buzzer to send the crowd into a frenzy and Utah home wondering how its lead, which once seemed insurmountable, has dissipated.

    "I don't want to talk about Karl," Payton said afterward. "Whatever. If it goes over to Game 5, let it go over to Game 5. But I don't want to talk about it. Whatever happens, happens."

    So, just to set the record straight, Shaq and Kobe have a well-documented contentious history, Shaq and Malone have a repaired history, Kobe and Malone have a history, Kobe and Payton have a history and Payton and Malone have a history. The only contention missing is Shaq and GP.

    Speaking of relationships, it makes me wonder how Kobe is going to be with his teammates and the organization at a time that he has promised to become a free agent. So let's say this thing spirals out of control, as it did in Portland, and Kobe becomes miserable. How quickly will this experiment be considered the worst of all time if the Lakers rent Malone and Payton for a year or two but lose Kobe forever? Not saying it's going to happen, but ... it could.

    And then, of course, we have history as a guide, just like Meriwether Lewis. In 1968-69, the Lakers had Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor and Jerry West. No title. The next year, Chamberlain, Baylor, West and Happy Hairston. No title. The year after that, Wilt, Elgin, The Logo, Hairston and Gail Goodrich. Even without Bill Russell in the league, no title. The next year, after three seasons with Wilt, the Lakers finally win the title.

    Did we mention that Malone and Payton only signed two-year deals?
    Frank Hughes, who covers the NBA for the Tacoma (Wash.) News-Tribune, is a regular contributor to ESPN.com.

    We will beat them!
     

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