Would you trade Donatas Motiejunas for Goran Dragic?

If I was only talking about 20 games or so of good defense by DMo, that would matter but pointing out that crazy things can happen in small samples is really irrelevant to this conversation.

 

He gets most of his points on putbacks (garbage points) and in transition....you pointing out a few isolated plays where he successfully faced up on an opponent doesn't change that. Jones isn't a player that can consistently create his own shot, Jones' family members would most likely even admit that.

Well maybe he shouldn't be regarded as a good defender if the numbers don't agree with that assumption. Derek Jeter is one of the worst defensive short stops to ever play the game but he is often regarded as a good defender....to the point where he won multiple gold glove awards. Sometimes people don't know what they are talking about.

 

really?......... Might as well trade for Lou Williams then.
I mean Rockets will lose but he will score and make his teammates better right?

This thread just keeps on giving. First DMO sucks in the post and now this.

 

That's just not true. Omer Asik was is a player who gets most of his points on put-backs. Jones has routinely had 20-point games and even 30-point games. He didn't do that from put-backs.

I think you forgot how Jones plays. Just go to Youtube and watch single game highlights to see how he scores his points. Most do not come from put-backs.

 

You are wrong on both accounts. Dragics salary had about the same hit on the cap as Jeremy Lins cap hit. It goes without saying that had we kept Dragic we would not have signed Lin. Not signing or signing Dragic would have changed nothing.

Actually, Goran represented a 7.5 million cap in the summer of 2013 and Jeremy represented an 8.3 million cap hit that summer when we signed Dwight. Having Goran would have been more advantageous.

 

The reason a post player can make teammates better is because the defense collapses to defend the post. The same thing happens whenever there is penetration.

It's good to have a post player because it gives the defense a different look which makes the offense harder to defend.

A post up is an easy way to get the ball near the middle to collapse the defense.

 

So, at this deadline how many realistic suitors are there for the services of one brother of Zoran Dragic?

At this stage, today, Karl coming in and all that, Boogie supposedly hating the latest new coach (or Fegan does), projecting forward, who signs in July with Sac who doesn't have options elsewhere in the National. Basketball. Association?

 

PG post-ups can be a valuable part of an O, dating back to the Big O, onto Magic and a veritable plethora of points subsequently. Not in Rox scheme.

Jeff's D and passing suck? They have improved dramatically. Soon they may rise to suck level.

Just asking - - what skill set does Henson provide? Can he play any interior D?

 

Signed by Josh Smith. :grin:

 

It's 135 attempts for Lee, and 290 for Dmo. I'm sure the "small sample size" cutoff has to go in between them.

 

But that's what I'm saying. The post game is (still) incredibly valuable and the matter of which you score doesn't always make your teammates better.

Yeah lol but I think it has to do with Charlotte's team defence that his own defence stats don't seem so horrible any more.

Hm Henson. He is loved by advanced stats but IMO Henson is a good rim protector but not so good in team defence as stats suggest. He is still yet in his third year and with his third coach and has shown very good signs of improvement. His problem right now is team defence. I am confident that he will continue to improve with the current coaching staff. He has been ordered NOT to post up anymore because it doesn't suit the system. He can post up adequately ,he has a nice left hook that is his go to move and SMH it always seem to work . No idea why since he always use it. One would think that after all this time and the scouting it would have become ineffective ..maybe because he's so incredibly long it is hard to be defended even if you know whats coming?
He is a good passer (for a center) with good hands. His other problem is rebounding but I won't hold it so much against him even though it's the most usual complaint. It's the small ball , always rotating defence that creates this problem.
Basically Kidd has the idea to turn him into Tyson Chandler. We will see how this works .
I'm confident in Henson's improvement. I.E till last year he couldn't hit a FT. Now this year he is one of the best some nights.lol

 

Probably my prejudice about JKidd (whom I believe to be a 5***** AH) that makes me wonder who will thrive and who will be purged in Buckland by Thursday; by July???

I like a lot about that team, and yes watch'm some, but not their coach. BTW - - what was his relationship with JET in Jersey?

 

I don't know Sac's cap for next year. I do know that (from our insiders so take it with a grain of salt) Sac tries to get rid of Stauskas and Williams so they try to empty at least one roster spot. Same people say that after the Karl hiring Sacramento took back any standing offers but now it has come back in the table) . But Karl likes to win now and he likes veterans. So it wouldn't suprise me to the least if they show interest in Dragic. I also believe that Dragic will sign wherever he is offered the most years/money.
I don't know about Detroit and Charlotte.
I just said some teams that could show real interest in Dragic based on their needs and have some assets to trade. Now who makes the best offer or is determined to pay him the max that's another story.
I doubt Charlotte after their latest trade and having Biz an UFA this summer and Al having a player option, but it wouldn't surprise me. They aren't the wisest FO.

 

Jkidd is a terrible human being. He is also an amazing coach. Like really really good. The ones NOT on the block (unless for an amazing offer) are : JP,GA,Middletton and ...maybe Knight ( ). Big Z also I doubt because things look like he's gonna get a coaching job there after retirement.
I have no idea about his relationship with Terry but if it's not bad I could see an interest.He likes to bring washed up vets- ex teammates to teach the kids. The problem is that MIL has right now 5 sgs and only two centers one of whom is 31 y.o.
Maybe he trades for Terry so Knight can realise that Terry is his optimal future and Terry helps him accept it?

 

If we in turn have to turn around and sign Dragic to the max, I have to vote no.

 

Interesting article about future International stars

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/02/15/nba-international-players-path-stardom/

Kpap is mentioned, but strangely no mention of Dmo.

 

After 1,256 pages and just days away from the deadline, I'm starting to get hesitant about Dragic. It's not even about what we give up in the trade as much as it is about how much we'd have to pay Dragic and how he would fit in with Harden.

If we get Dragic, then we're locked in. It has to be the right decision because there's no wiggle room after that. We're going all in and can't need to make any major upgrades for a couple of years at least.

As far as fit, we're kind of lucky because we're seeing first hand how Dragic performs next to a ball-dominant guard. The amount of time Bledsoe controls the ball is by my estimation roughly the amount of time Harden would handle the ball for us after a Dragic acquisition. Are we happy with this season's Dragic? In our heads, are we imagining last year's Dragic next to this year's Harden? Is that in any way realistic. I don't think so.

Do we want to give up one of our good young bigs when Dwight is facing long-term medical uncertainty? Is this really the time to trade an almost-ready big man like Jones or D-Mo for an excellent 30 year old PG who's not a particularly amazing passer but excellent with the ball in his hands?

I wonder if the right move for this team is to acquire Isaiah Thomas and Plumlee. It's uncanny how perfect a fit these two are for our team right now and for the title run. Beverley is perfectly capable of playing 20-30 minutes for an NBA champion, and so is Thomas who is on a declining salary contract. With those two, we can switch between attacking the opposing team's PG or slowing them down - I'd like to throw that at Paul/Westbrook/Lillard and see if we can exhaust them. Plumlee is a good young backup C on a super friendly contract who can give us 15 quality minutes and possibly see a mini-resurgence given we have IMO the best big man coaching in the entire league.

Would it take fewer assets to get those two than it would to get Dragic? Would we really be much worse?

How good will Dragic be as his athleticism declines? Is he a gifted passer? Is he a good enough 3pt shooter to make up for any decline in athleticism? Is his defense likely to get better or worse? What does he do when Harden has the ball? Do we have any idea whatsoever what an off the ball James Harden looks like?

I really don't know at this point if we should be calling Phoenix or Phoenix should be calling us. Why are they playing hardball? If they thought he'd re-sign they wouldn't even be on the phone. They need to get something for Dragic; either a commitment or assets. If Dragic is not committing to any teams at all, then no one is offering a better deal than the NOP pick + K-Pap (the equivalent IMO of two mid first rounders).

They want D-Mo? I'm not as bat**** crazy about D-Mo as the rest of the board, but I have to say no way. I'm not sure even Jones should be included. The guy has all star potential too, and both of them could hit their prime just when Dwight starts accepting his role as enforcer inside.

 

considering this article lists Dieng and Adams as future STARS tells you enough about the quality?
Both are looking at being good starters not stars.

...Was this an attempt to discredit the potential of DMO by bringing up a crap article?
Because lets see what a site that has more researched and well versed authors says:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/t...ence-wake-up-call-dont-sleep-on-the-clippers/

 

Dieng will be a star I think once Pekovic/Martin/Young are gone and Rubio takes over. IMO he'll be at least as good as DeAndre Jordan if he gets the coaching he deserves.

 

They only have 1.5 year difference so he should hurry up. Considering he is mostly relied on his athletism.