I think the suns would be better off with an impact player instead of a pick, if they want to stay afloat in the playoff race. Why not something like this: HOU receives: Goran Dragic, Steve Novak, Miles Plumlee HOU trades: Jason Terry, Clint Capela, Joey Dorsey, big papa, NOP 1st rounder PHX receives: Enes Kanter, Big papa PHX trades: Goran Dragic, future 2nd round pick UTA receives: Jason Terry, Clint Capela, Joey Dorsey, NOP 1st rounder, future 2nd round pick UTA trades: Enes Kanter, Steve Novak This way, UTA gives more time to Rudy Gobert and Favors, gets a 1st and second to rebuild with (+ apparently Kanter wants to be traded according to the jazz's local sportswriter in SLC). PHX gets another big, where they are sorely lacking (esp given Len's fragile ankles) even after the Wright trade, plus a young forward they can use in small-ball lineups, on a good deal. I'd say this is worth more to them right now than a future first. Houston gets a ball-handling guard, and improves its center rotation slightly (Plumlee is a little better than Dorsey, if anything because of his sheer size advantage).
Im glad suns are giving up playoffs. it would be selfish of them to keep 8th seed just to let warriors get a free pass to the 2nd round
SUNS WANT A FIRST ROUND PICK FOR DRAGIC, EH? So, let's quickly examine the choices. First of all, no 2015 lottery team is going to offer up their first round pick for Dragic. Teams that are playing for the lottery aren't going to trade their pick, even protected for a player that will help them win games. So, this eliminates the Knicks, Sixers, Magic, TWolves, Lakers, Kings, Jazz and Nuggets. I'm going to leave the Celtics for later since they do have a plethora of picks available to possibly make a move for Goran. Now, one of those current lottery teams may actually be willing to offer up some future first round pick thinking they'll be in the playoffs in a couple years. Most likely they'll have lottery protection on that pick if they actually do offer future first (say 2017 or 2018) so as to protect themselves from paying a lottery pick for a player that possibly walks on them this summer. What I'm telling you is the best case scenario for any of these teams I just listed would be a future lottery-protected pick. Secondly, you can eliminate teams like the Nets and Heat, and the Cavs because they simply don't have a pick to trade for Goran. Celtics have all Nets picks tied up, so even though Nets have a pick this summer, they can't trade that pick because the Celts already own their 2016 pick. So, the Nets won't be trading the Suns a first rounder next week for Goran. Same thing holds true for the Heat. They're still paying for the Lebron trade and 2 championships he brought them over the previous 4 seasons. They owe their 2015 pick to Philly unless they fall into the top 10 of the lottery. Well, guess what? They can't trade 2016 pick because they owe their 2015 pick. The earliest pick Miami can trade for Goran is ..... once again, their 2017 pick. Same thing goes for Cleveland. They don't have a first round pick they can trade until 2017. Also NOP, can't trade a first rounder until 2017. Now...let's look at the top contenders and see what is possible here. First of all, consider that Goran wants to play the 1. He doesn't want to play backup 1. He doesn't want to play 2 or 3. He wants to play 1. If you understand that, and I'm sure these teams understand that let's run through the contenders: Golden State, Memphis, Portland, Dallas, LAC, OKC, ATL, TOR, CHI, WAS all have point guards in place that they are invested and vested in. Those teams aren't going to trade assets away including players and a first rounder to bring in Goran to play the 2 for a playoff run and then watch him walk next summer. Besides...if they did...those picks would fall in the 21-30 range of the first round. Simply not going to happen. Toronto does have an extra pick in 2016 but it's a possible lottery pick. They're not about to drop that on an expiring contract when Goran would be stuck playing off guard and they've already got DeRozen there. Just doesn't make any sense for them. So, what teams does that leave PHX as a market for Goran? Spoiler Here you go: Houston, San Antonio, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Boston, Detroit, Indiana. Let's take a look at them individually: Boston Spoiler Boston is interesting. They could go either lottery or playoffs this season. If they traded for Goran, they'd probably go rolling into the 7th or 8th seed in the East and lose whatever pick they traded for Goran plus lose their own lottery ticket. So, can't see that happening. Otherwise, they trade for Goran and sit on him so they still go to the lottery. Would Goran stay and re-sign there? Possible I suppose. What realistic picks could Boston trade? 1. 2015 Clippers pick. Probably around 22 in the draft at best. 2. Dallas' first round pick which probably won't be conveyed until 2016. And there's no way Boston is going to trade that pick without adding more lottery protection to it. Not without a commitment from Dragic to re-sign there and endure this season of losing. 3. Minny's pick. Top - 12 protected both this year and next year and after that it turns into 2 second rounders. 4. Philly's first rounder which is going to become 2 second rounders. 5. Brooklyn's 2016 first rounder. This pick is unprotected. Boston won't trade that pick without adding lottery protection to it. 6. Cleveland's 2016 first rounder top 10 protected in 2016, 2017, 2018, and unprotected in 2019. Can't see Boston trading this possible lottery ticket on an expiring contract without Goran committing there long-term. Bottom line: Boston has Marcus Smart and Avery Bradley tied up long-term. They're not likely to trade for Goran and if they do trade for Goran they're not going to offer anything close to a lottery pick without a commitment from Goran to re-sign. And Goran has been very clear that he's going to explore the free agent market. Not good odds that Boston tries to trade for him and offers anything more than a lower end (21-30) first rounder for Goran. Detroit: Spoiler Another tweener team. Don't know if they're going to the playoffs or not. Goran would possibly be a fit there. And he'd probably push them into the playoffs in the East. So, they trade their pick? Not without lottery protection on it at a bare minimum. Charlotte: Spoiler Same situation as Detroit. Best case scenario is lottery protected pick. And they're already paying Kemba Walker big money and just traded for Mo Williams. Very doubtful Charlotte would even consider giving up a first rounder for Goran. Milwaukee: Spoiler Young team. Have a young point in Brandon Knight that is hitting restricted free agency. Rumors are they don't like him. But they are on a path of building young. Goran is 29 years old. They do own the Clippers pick in ....... 2017, you guessed it. And....it's lottery protected. Holy Toledo. Does PHX want Knight back and run through restricted free agency? No way Jose. Goran would put them further up the playoff ladder however. Best case scenario for PHX, Milwaukee flips them Mayo and their first rounder for Goran's expiring deal and PHX nets around #18 or lower in the draft. And wouldn't you agree that would be a totally stupid move for Milwaukee? Now we're down to the final 3 teams. And it could start to get interesting here. Indiana Spoiler Classic tweener team. Right now in the lottery. Close enough to make a run for the playoffs. Does Bird trade their pick (lottery protected of course) for a run with Dragic? I think Bird is smarter than that. I think Bird knows his best course is to sit this one out, go to the lottery, and come back strong next season with Paul George and their lottery pick or whatever they were able to trade that pick and other salary for in the off season. PHX doesn't want George Hill. Expirings of Scola and CJ Watson would get it done. Or perhaps Indy flips West for Goran and let's PHX deal with West's player option while they fool with Goran? Dont' see it really. Don't Bird going here. But we'll have to watch and listen for anything coming out of Indy. San Antonio Spoiler Ahhhhhh, yes. Those nasty, crafty, sneaky, sons of biscuit eaters over in San Antonio. Goran would be another in a long line of rips for them. And we won't know about until it's already done. They could flip their pick plus Danny Green and Jeff Ayres (expirings) and bring in the Dragic brothers. And it would be the ideal scenario for them. They'd be able to hand Goran the starting spot in a unique ball-sharing system alongside Parker, competing for championships. Not only that but with Goran's and Kawhi's cap holds, all the Spurs would need to do would be to move out Boris Diaw and possibly Kyle Anderson to the Sixers (or some other team) along with a couple second rounders and they'd have enough cap space to make a hard run at LaMarcus or Marc Gasol or ...perhaps even DeAndre. Better yet, get PHX to take Diaw and Anderson back along with their first rounder and second rounder for Goran and his brother. These Spurs are a nasty bunch. I think that's your prime competition for Goran. But realistically PHX is looking at the Spurs pick plus possibly Kyle Anderson and Boris Diaw or expiring contracts. That Spurs pick will be around 21-26 in the draft. Houston Spoiler Nobody will offer a better draft pick than the Pels pick for Goran. I've just ran through the teams and told you why. Everybody that could possibly want him is going to want lottery protection. Frankly, I think Phoenix already knows this and that's why they're putting out they want a first rounder. Phoenix is trying to up the ante from Morey's offer of a couple second rounders or possibly a future lottery protected first rounder (2017). And nobody is putting a first rounder on the table for Goran.....much less a possible lottery pick. Morey undoubtedly hasn't put the Pels pick on the table yet. And he may be able to swing this trade for Goran without it, especially if he can find a big that PHX likes and engage in a 3-way trade. I've said for a while now that I think the most we should pay for Goran is our 2017 first rounder lottery protected...and a couple second rounders...plus whatever outgoing salary we need to get the deal done...including one or two youngsters at most (1 and at most 2 of Jones/Capela/Canaan/Beverley).
You give them what they want. Pick and dmo or jones should get it done. For a playbook less team he is our answer. We would have 2 players that you can give them the ball and not have to coach as we are currently doing
DMo's untouchable and I doubt they'd have any interest in Jones. Also, you have enough valuable picks to where you can offer them whatever players we want and they'll take it.
Realistically there's not any way that an acceptable offer for him would come down. Basically he'd only be flipped for a legit big man star. His value is through the roof right now. That essentially makes him untouchable, certainly when it comes to a trade for an aging player at the deepest position in the NBA.
Yah but the window is NOW!!!!! NOW!!!!! We have to get DRAGIC.... We have to... Harden+Howard+DMO for Dragic... This is our opportunity to pair up Dragic with Harden.... Wait.... Never mind what we give up... Lets trade for Dragic NOOOOOOOW!!!
Because he is the only healthy 7 footer we have, because trading him would create a hole as bad as the one the one dragic fills.
I keep on going back and forth on whether significant assets just as D-Mo should be used in a trade for pg/playmakers such as Dragic or Lawson. We looked great when Harden goes MVP and dog dodoo when he does not. Not for a second do I blame this on Harden. That man has essentially carried this team to a very good record and to expect much more at this juncture of a long regular season is just unrealistic. Games like yesterday against the Clippers are getting old for us. Five consecutive losses to that same team where we didn't even looked competitive is just too much. Just get it done, Morey. MVP Harden deserves a companion guard in a similar fashion that Curry needs Thompson.
How do you figure your going to get a legit big man star for a 7 foot guy averaging 11-12pts and 6 boards a game?
Exactly, you're not, so he's not tradeable. The scarcity of his size and skillset demand that kind of return and it's not likely to happen, thus you hold on to him.
Whoever is saying to give them dmo needs to stop talking basketball . No way in hell. I am not even willing to give them jones. Pel pick plus filler should def get us dragic . Do not see any other team giving better than that
