(cough,cough) A Couple Tidbits You've Probably Heard Already (cough,cough)

If Oily's quote is referencing the Clippers, then I am quite pleased, b/c the alternative might be Eric Snow from Philly. When he says, "wo do we get," it probably is a choice between Odom and Miller. They will command similar money on the open market. I'd be happy with either player in exchange for Mobley.

Re Miller: I think he's more like the guy that played on teh Cavaliers than what we saw with the clippers. Last year, the Clips were a bunch of guys playing for "me" and a fat contract. Miller is a pretty natural point guard, and suffered from lack of team play.

Re Odom: I started a Odom thread a few days back and won't repeat it here, except to say this. He will get more money than he should b/c of his potential. He would help take the PG pressure off Francis and a lineup of Francis/Posey/Odom/Griffin/Yao would present huge matchup challenges for most teams.

How to structure a deal is the big question. Mobley doesn't make enough money to do a straight 1 for 1 trade. Cato is a good fit for the Clips b/c Kandiman is likely gone, but the Clips don't have another player that the Rox could use much. Perhaps the Clips re-sign Pike and mix him into the deal. Tough to say and I'm not a realgm type of a guy.

 

Baqui, I'm not down on Cat. Do I think our guards aren't great at passing? Yeah. To tell you the truth, I think both Steve and Cat tried very hard to adjust to Yao last year, and neither had bad seasons.

Cat's just a very tradeable commodity, and to tell you the truth a guy who hires a publicist might not be happy being the 3rd banana on a team. For that matter, I don't think Steve believes it's justifiable for him to be a second banana either. The difference is we can't get a player as good as Steve in return in any trade.

 

Hey JoeBarelyCares

i think you got the message mixed up. Cuttino Mobley would go to pussyland.

The quote you are showing says E.T. which is none other than Sam Cassell. By Minnesota getting Sam, KG will be happy for another year.

who knows? but that's what i got from it?????

 

CD wanted Marc Jackson pretty bad last year or the year before when he was at GS so that could be a possibility. So maybe a Wally and Marc Jackson for Mobley and someone else???

 

Rileydog, I went to the realgm site for the first time today. I was too stupid to find Cat's salary for this year, but Miller's market value is a very iffy thing. I knew I couldn't tell anything from Cat's contract total value, but I guess I made an assumption anyway.

I agree with you about Miller being more of the player he was two years ago than last year. If he hadn't been in his 3rd year I would have sworn he was playing his way out of Clipperland.

Still, if we're looking for a point guard he's the best option I see. Getting someone who was considered a top 3 pg last summer (maybe on the cheap) is intriguing.

 

Has anyone tried the search feature to find the thread/post by ROCKET!!! from last year? I can't access the search. That could be the deal that is back on.

 

But couldn't Jackson be our enforcer power forward (and tandem with Eddie)? He could be the low post scoring option when Cato is in the game.

JPM - the trade was based on an assumption that OP didn't tell his daughter to type in "pussyland", but "puppyland." Which might be an incorrect assumption.

 

You have to have 3000+ posts to search. Since I'm a nice guy, ask and you shall receive.

Brand, Swift, or Battier (bye bye Yao)

Crazy, insane, vague, far out rumors (pre draft, mind you)

Post Draft Stuff

 

Yes, you are too nice. At my rate, I should be able to do a search in time for our glorious 2010 championship run.

Now to start reading...

 

Pops,

I have not been around so much lately, but noticed your thread. I hope you get well, and wish you all the best.

I am also thrilled that Cat is gone.

DD

 

I haven't seen much of him, but at only 6-10, he's probably a center because he can't run the floor and guard the Wallaces and Webbers of the league. He also smacks of "1 year wonder" averaging only 13 minutes, 5 points, and shooting less than 42% with the "Puppies".

j

 

I don't think pussyland is a place.... it is a state of mind. I think that it means Mobley is such a p***y that he won't be able to handle JVG's hardnose coaching. If that is the case, I don't agree, but I think that it is what was implied.

Get well soon. You are much appreciated here. In fact, I'd like to start off a poem... Be very afraid... Ode to Popeye... ahem...

With ears the size of palm leaves
You listen in to draft speak
Then spread the news
To Clutchcity fools
Wasting in front of computer screens

Stalking athletes in malls seems below you
We don't ask you for pictures from Whole Foods
Your word is gold
To members of old
But who in the hell are you?

Now your information comes in third-hand
While you eat Jello and get sponge baths from gay men
Is this elaborate joke
Really worth all the work?
Just to avoid parties with Australians

 

i have tried to stay away, but some things beg a responce:

WHY would we want marc jackson? he sucks bad. being a "banger" is not enough to take his bad contract.

how is l.a. "pussyland"? i think oily has NEVER cussed in any posts before, so why would he now? it seems like he was referencing philly (cats home) in a 3 or 4 or 5(?) team deal. we have made HUGE deals before (for steve) and it could explain all the time it is taking to pull if everything waits till sign deadline.

miller and stevie will NEVER play together. they hate eachother. actually, i think miller really hates steve, note all the games against the clippers. i think team chemistry is important to jvg getting everyone to buy into the system.

just some more fuel for the fire. good stuff, and i hope oily gets better. hate to see it happen to a fine gentleman.

 

Who you callin' a fool, fool? This poem is a stroke of genious though, good job...

 

Hey Pops are sure hope your feeling better soon. And my guess is that Pussyland refers to a combination of the Meadowlands and a main character in the Sopranos which is fillmed in New Jersey... Now who would we be getting in return? Eric Williams, with the aquisition of Zo he becomes expendable...

 

I wanted to chime in before reading the whole thread. First off, get well soon pops, I've really missed your posts lately. Secondly, I'm glad my boy might be on his way.

 

I can't remember who said it, but I get the feeling that pussyland is just a way of saying that Cat isn't going to be a big part of the Rockets' future. In what way he will be involved with the team next season, not to mention the next few months, is way over my head. I'm pretty sure though that his contract can't match up for a 1 to 1 trade w/ any of the players on the Clippers roster except for Pike (Piatkowski), maybe. Pike is unrestricted, I think, so it wouldn't matter anyway.

As for the other Clippers that have been speculated in trades, there'd have to be some sort of packaged deal to land an Odom, Brand, or Miller. Plus, the Clips have expressed that they'd shell out big money to keep Brand. Miller is probably going to command enough money as a restricted free agent that Sterling will not match the offer sheet (and I think there is truth to the Miller-hates-Francis point made by Mos-def). Mobley alone isn't going to get it done. Perhaps Rice is really gone, that is if the Rockets actually do make an offseason trade. I wouldn't be surprised if Les just let the contract expire so he could save himself alot of money as opposed to locking it in a big contract. Sterling would love an expiring contract, though I doubt the rest of the team would.

Rileydog, you were wondering what Levy meant. It's a pun for coach Dunleavy, of course. Not a bank reference. But I do think Brand does match to Imprint. I don't remember what the other puns were, but I'm pretty confident that those two are correct.

 

The more I scan , the more I look, the more that I think this is all bs. We can sit here and put scenerios together all day and still not answer the question, why would x trade for y? X and Y both being variables in the solution.

One guy speculates about getting Wally and this player for Cat and that player, but if you're Minny and you're on the verge of signing Howard, why trade for Taylor? As reported earlier, why not trade Wally for a real talent like Davis in Cleveland?

The other pipe dreams is every Brand or Odom scenerio people can come up with. As much as I would love to have Odom, there is probably 2 or 3 teams who can call the Clipps bluff,Sa,Mia,and Denver. The reason why they probably won't is because the Clippers have already offered Brand 4yr 50 mill and probably would offer Odom close to the same. They may not match Maggette because they have Q and Jaric coming back along with Dooling so he's easier to replace. I know we want this guy to play along side Ming, but I think this problem is going to have to happen from within. If we go out and trade for Grant or Davis, then basically Houston is saying is that we messed up by drafting Griffin and signing Taylor.

Cat is a interesting person on this team. The reason being is that he thrived under the old iso oriented system with him and his sidekick, but many seems to see no place on this team for him. Eventhough I'm not one of his biggest supporters, i think if JVG can handle a guy with a worse shot selection than Cat in Spreewell, then he should be given the chance with Cat. I think many of his faults has more to do with the uneven schemes Rudy had than anything. I personally think Cat could become a really good 3rd scorer on a good team. Looking at the finals, people should really want to hold onto someone who can actually score the ball.

In essence, all solutions or ideas look good if they will happen, but personally , I don't think any of them will.As hard as Houston's management says their going to improve the team, I don't think they really want to trade any players before JVG gets a chance to work with them. Minny traded Joe "dead weight" Smith for Cassell who should be a all star. Last yr , Seattle got rid of Vin Baker and his max salary for Potepenko and other garbage. There are deals out there, its just a matter of management biting the bullet and making not only a season decision, but a decision based on the direction of this team. Is Francis capable at the pg? Is Griffin or Taylor the better option at 4? Is Nachbar ready for real action? How much do we give Posey? All of these upcoming actions will mold this Franchise as much as anything. Many people may want to sit around and wait for the west to weaken which is bs. The west will be strong for a long ,long time. The quest for the Rockets is are they going to be players or sitting on the sideline like they have for the past 4 yrs?

 

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't understand these cryptic posts. Is it because some folks are insiders and could get in hot water for leaking information? I'm just not getting it. I was in federal law enforcement for many years and there's numerous ways to tell what's REALLY going on without ever tracing it back to the insider. Seems all this crypict stuff is a bit sophomoric don't you think?

 

It's still better than the crap trade threads by a mile.