Thought this was interesting. Really portrays how Harden is more important to us than Curry is to Warriors... MVP! <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Chart: NBA All-Star votes vs. Win Shares (look at Kobe Bryant) <a href="http://t.co/GTUsh20DFe">pic.twitter.com/GTUsh20DFe</a></p>— Ben Golliver (@BenGolliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/557979616090935296">January 21, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
If I were not a rockets fan I wouldn't really like james harden. Just as I wasn't really a fan of Kmart.
Ugly ball when it's against you. It's like hack a Shaq, if your team is being hacked you are angry as hell.
Just further goes to show that the All-star game is a joke, and it's a popularity contest, not so much on the play of players. Reminds me when Yao got voted in when he was hurt, or Lin almost got voted in, haha. Obviously Curry deserves it, but Kobe is over the hill. I guess this also shows you how little the all-star game matters to our fans, since they can't even vote him in (I know that wasn't topic of how he deserves MVP but just saying), and yes he deserves MVP so far over curry.
WinShares (thus the graphic) doesn't show who is more important to what team. And even if it did, importance to a team is not the definition of Most Valuable Player. And even if that were true, Curry's team is on pace to end up with 10 more wins than Harden's, so consider that.
Not a data wrangler, so please correct me where I'm wrong in my musings here. Win shares is a metric that estimates how many wins a player a produces for their team, correct? Clearly, Harden is an objectively-elite player. So is Curry. However, look at the band between 4 and 5 win shares. Lots of excellent players in there. So, is this relative, then? Does this mean that Harden simply surpasses all other players in the league in getting his team wins? If so, that could just mean that's he's far and away the most important member of any team. (Incidentally, would that not be the textbook definition of "Most Valuable Player?") Are the other excellent players in the 4-5 band aided by other great players on their team, so their direct role in winning is reduced? I'd love it if someone could clarify how to interpret this. Thanks.
What does that have to do with this thread, even though I agree. He's growing on me though, kind of like that beard. I don't know what it is, maybe that beard, definitely his style of play and lack of defense. I like him more than last year though.
But winshares do show one aspect of who is more important to a team...by estimating how many wins they contributed to that team (which I assume is important to a team). Then you said, even if it did, importance to a team is NOT the definition of Most Valuable Player. Um, what is then? I think a combination of being one of the best players + how important you were to a winning team is how MVP is decided. And finally you say, even if that were true (that MVP means importance to a team), Curry's team is on pace to end up with 10 more wins than Harden, so I should consider that. Okay, considered it and that seems irrelevant? If we are under the assumption that MVP means someone who is most important to a team, how does Team A doing better than Team B mean anything? If Team A is all superstars that performed equally and the team did better than Team B, which is comprised of say Jordan and scrubs, then how is Jordan NOT the most important to his given team? Between the two winning teams, Jordan would definitely win the MVP...
Yes, when comparing Harden to lesser players than the top 5 in the world. But when comparing to prime MVP candidates to one another, winshare differential in small separation is not proven to mean anything. There are reasons why one player could be a fraction higher than another, that has nothing to do with "importance." Consider this: Curry's team wins by an extraordinary 11 ppg. Curry gets benched for the 4th Q a lot, because of that. Him sitting for 4th Qs affects the stat, yet says nothing about importance. Having a smaller or larger pt differential and the coaching decisions that come into play in blowouts should have little sway in Winshare or importance. Thus, a minor difference between Curry and Harden's winshares should carry no weight in evaluating MVP, because there is noise in the system.
Mo "he know what he did" Williams has Kobe as his starter. Hater. Kobe needs to give up his spot on the All Star roster but he won't.
