ISIS & ISRAEL

I think you're being naive here. Obviously the Middle East is not a single entity, but what I was referring to is shared ideas that have been held by the huge majority for decades now. The fact that the USG is every Middle Easterner's, by far, greatest enemy and threat to freedom is a view held by the majority of Middle Easterners and recorded by leading Western polling organizations. That's because the USG is here. Everywhere. Heavily armed. All the time. With no regard to the well being of Middle Easterners. It's a simple formula. To put this into perspective for Americans, think of the hatred so many Americans have for Russia and Russia only tried to occupy an area NEAR North America. This of course led to nuclear confrontation.

It's been super normal for Middle Easterners to deeply hate American foreign policy, that should not be a surprise to anyone. It also doesn't surprise me that there are people who believe America is bringing positive development to the Middle East. History is ridden with a pattern and template of colonialists make-believing this idea, even the most well educated scholars and professionals. History of course shat on those people after they left, and it will do the same here.

Also, give me a break with the bourgeoise bs. You will never understand what it means to live under an oppressive regime, even the most progressive of oppressive regimes. Not to just hear about it. Not just for your dad to tell you what it was like. But to look over your shoulder every ****ing day from the day you're born till the day you die because people living in a rotting colonial country foolishly believe that it's somehow in your interest for this to happen to me, and my family and my friends and my community. The only reason I indulge you here anymore is because I know you can't know what it feels like. But I know what it feels like for the guy who taught me how to fish to be executed in a public square for saying things that get thrown around on this board. I know what it feels like to not be able to ask questions about your friend's dad disappearing. I live with the fear and knowledge - and just imagine if this were you for a second - that if I say something I "shouldn't" say on this message board it is within the realm of possibility that my internet connection will magically stop working and I will disappear without a trace soon after. You will be amazed what can be achieved with a formula of oil money + Western technology + centralized power + a target population of 100,000. That is real.

And I'm a person talking to you from the other side of an internet cable. I work, I have friends, I have family, and I have views. Views no different in scope than anyone on this board. And these things depress me, scare me and anger me. And it takes extraordinary strength to transform those feelings into motivation to improve things without stepping on toes. And when that fails sometimes, I will cry my eyes out. That's not an irregular occurrence in the Middle East. Because sometimes when this **** is piling up, and your friend tells you her brother was executed and her father kidnapped and that she literally cannot go to Syria and her family literally cannot come here, it weighs on you. So you go to work where your only other Syrian friend tells you that his town was demolished yesterday and his father who is near 80 years old now has to go back to work and find a home for their family, or live in a refugee camp. It becomes too much. These are restaurant owners and home builders. These are not gun wielding rebels. We share those experiences now. It's the most tragic form of solidarity I've ever heard of.

This is literally just in the last 5 months. I don't live in Yemen. I live in a country which is probably safer than every other country in the region and probably most isolated from such incidents. This is why every movie, every TV show, every song, every painting and every prayer is depressing as **** in the Middle East. Because it's a reflection of what people are living every day. This is not a movie or a book. These are actual people, and what really drives it home is that they have little to no control over changing it. YOU literally have more control over changing it than I do and you're not a citizen here. What you can do by walking into a booth and filling in a form yields so much more reward and - more critically - WAY less risk than a similar intentioned action in this region.

So when you cannot see or hear what most people in the Middle East have to say about it, and choose to remain ignorant about the fact that it's actively and aggressively being hidden from you, it doesn't mean you get to come on here and lecture me about how Egyptians MUST HAVE wanted to elect a dictatorial president if the vote shows it. There is clearly a lot here which you don't understand, and can't really imagine. Whereas I will openly tell you when there is a side of American politics I don't understand, I certainly don't tell you that you're being naive and bourgeouise when you staunchly support what I consider to be an elitist policy which helps only the richest people in America - a position you and I will never be in, no matter how many people are killed to achieve it.

 

What did he get executed for?

 

You don't give a crap about his incredible post. Just want a factoid to fee into your obsessive Islamaphobia.

 

The rest of the post is "incredible" self-pity and blaming the USA for everything. No wonder you would like that.

 

What about your Israelophobia?







Why don't you write something about the ethnic cleansing of jews and their property from Arab and Muslim land?

Why are The musilms that conquered huge areas that never belonged to them is not an issue, and tiny Israel, the only place the jews has, is?

why does the Arab countries keep them in camps and don't grant them citizenship and proper life?

even in this thread Israel is supposedly responsible for the rise of a Muslim terrorist group who wants to destroy Israel as part of their main goal.

Its nice to have a the scape goat for everything, doesn't it?

 

You hate Jews so much, it's ridiculous.

Sadly, you are not alone in that regard, most Muslims seem to think that way (and then you have hateful leftist anti-semites like glynch support you in that cause, too). Hate is instilled at an early age in the death cult ideology. And scapegoats for own failures are easily presented. This fosters a culture of deflection of blame.

And then someone crazy like Exiled is the result...

 

I can say that about the Palestinians who chose to escape the land after the British left, and the U.N gave the land that was never under their control to them and to the Jews.

Many chose to escape just because a day after Israel's indipandence, many Arab countries attracted in order to kill all the Jews, and they fight that they can come back later and take it all.

The ones that chose to stay are now Israeli civilians and make 20% of the population.

The Jews left the arab countries without all of their belongings because of fear of persecution and death.

From many thousands to several hundreds or non, and its voluntarily.
Sure.

 

One of the typical responses to the defenders of Israel-- other folks do bad things, too. Why not talk about others who do bad things, too.?

I agree it is about the best that can be done. Other examples -- Europeans colonists colonized and exterminated Naïve Americans, too. That was just as bad?
BTW the Jews were living pretty peacefully with their neighbors prior to European Jews colonizing Palestine and starting their policy of ethnic cleansing which continues to this day.

, So none of the land belonged to Muslims? lol where did you get this from.

I see this tiny Israel appeal for pity. Don't think it works too well any more. Besides the "tiny" land that you are talking about, Palestine, was owned by others and calling it "tiny" does not change the right to come and take it.

lol Israel is keeping them in camps. At best you are back to Muslims do bad things too. It is Israel that originally ethnically expelled them to the camps.

Israel was one of the backers of the Iraq War which led to the creation of ISIS.. I can understand how you would prefer not to realize this.

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glynch is a raging anti-semite.

 

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I dont know if he hates the Jews.
He's certainly no anti- Semite, because he loves Muslims.

He just found a scapegoat to all the problems in the world in a little country with only 8,000,000 citizens.

If this country was so powerfull and influential like he and his Arabs friends thinks, than it wouldent be in so
Much trouble, and a threat of existence.

 

lol, son Being anti-Zionist or even anti-Israel is not being anti-Semite.

Keep repeating it, but the meme is failing.

Anti-semitism is hating Jews per se, not hating bad things Jews do such as colonizing and continually ethnically cleansing Palestine to create the present Apartheid state of Israel.

I have quoted many times prominent Jews who were and continue to oppose the Zionist project.

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I'm not going to bash Glynch when he got the quoting function (almost) right for the first time. I'll let him have that moment in the sun.

Remember folks...Glynch's country has a problem...and that problem is the Jew...

 

Mathloom,
I was so touched by your post, I literaly have tears in my eyes.
I wish you and your family all the health and hapiness in the world.
This is not politics, this is about us as people.
I am so fortunate to have a country that protects me and it is so sad to see our great neighbours in Syria suffer so much.
I wish there were something I could do, I met so many great Siryan people in my travels, always connected immediately over the passion for a good Hummus
Be safe, be strong, and stand tall. I will pray for you and your family.

 

I think I'm turning into a comic book supervillain.

More and more I find myself in a free moment wishing for a vial of some super-plague that I could pop open and hit a giant reset button on the human race.

I can't imagine anything more beautiful than the stillness and silence that would envelope the entirety of the world as a result. I'm beside myself right now just thinking about the calm. The random churning of idle minds left unoccupied is a blight upon the universe. Everything would be better if it all just went away. Stark and still like the dead of night in the middle of winter.

That is my crazy thought for the day, inspired in no small part by this thread.