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Taliban kill over 100 people, mostly children, in attack on school

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dmc89, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. JuanValdez

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    If I sound pompous, whatever. I offered a bit of advice as someone once did for me. If you'd rather not take it, that's fine. If you disagree, that's fine. Though it does sound like you completely misunderstood what I was saying anyway.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    He did not misunderstand you one bit. He looked right through you: Your posts today make you appear as a pompous, holier-than-thou, disingenuous assclown.
     
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    Is it mainly northern Pakistan that is the ****hole?
     
  4. dmc89

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    Speaking relatively, it's the north and pretty much the whole border area next to Afghanistan so north and west. The troubled areas are wherever the Pashtun (ethnic group) homeland is, which was split between Afghanistan and Pakistan when the British drew the borders about 120 years ago. The goal is to create a Pashtunistan, which the Taliban have promised the Pashtuns they will deliver in exchange for support. The national government of Pakistan hates that idea (like Kurdistan to Iraq/Turkey) so it clamps down on this.

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    That's not what I meant. I meant the military operations to combat extremists in the border areas is a concrete response to extremists. It is relatively moderate.

    Pakistan has over 180 million people, and not all of them practice Islam the same way. In my experience, 15% are diehard fanatics/extremists [openly support terrorism]. 33% are liberal/moderates. The remaining 50% are conservative/traditional. The military, especially the officers, comprises mainly of the liberals and moderates whereas the lower ranks who do the fighting are conservative (but not terrorists). Many who died in the ongoing operations (over 1000) were relatively moderate who hate everything that ISIS, the Taliban, et al stand for.

    That being said, the key word is relative. I wouldn't draw a caricature of Muhammad around these relative moderates or burn a Quran. The only Pakistanis who tolerate that without hurting you are about 10% of the population. I think that would be your Western definition of a Muslim moderate, where you can openly offend without fear of violence or them demanding Sharia law for everyone upon immigrating, etc.
     
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    I thought you only made crappy posts in the Garm. These idiots killed Muslims here and have for a long time. To call them Muslim in any sense is as delusional as them thinking they're Muslim. Smfh at this post.
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    They are fake Muslim.
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    They consider themselves real Muslims.
     
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    Do you believe they are "real" muslims?
     
  10. sammy

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    This seemed more political than anything. Intimidation tactic. A girl can think that she's the most beautiful person in the world. It doesn't make it so.

    What they think doesn't matter. Doing the opposite of what your religion tells you to (don't murder innocent people Duh) and somehow justifying it in your head is as sinister as it gets.
     
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    You're right about that, moderate is definitely relative. I used it in the most global sense, they are not moderate relative to your average person, regardless of religion. I guess that's common sense though.

    What I meant to get at is that the victims here are not your anti-terrorism advocates that you say. As previously said, they read books endorsing extremism (outside Pakistan) and have committed atrocities in the past.

    The most recent of which is the 2008 bomb blasts, whose mastermind, Hafez Saeed, was pardoned by Pakistan and operates freely in the country with his organization. The US, India, UN have all listed him as a terrorist and the US has a $10M bounty on him, yet Pakistan lets him roam freely continuing his hate speech and planning his next crime.

    The army has always been jolly about terrorism when it's happening in India, Afghanistan, and the likes. They just hate when it happens in their own home. The event is tragic, but it's not an act of moderate Muslims being punished by phantom radicals. These are the radicals they've bred, supported, and cheered on for decades. Hopefully this is a wake up call to Pakistan.
     

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