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Do the Rockets want any FA's off the list?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Jun 30, 2003.

  1. Rockets34Legend

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    BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO
    Star-Ledger Staff

    Believe it or not, this isn't all about Jason Kidd.

    It will only seem that way, because when your job description is "best point guard of this generation," you are basically recession-proof.

    Still, there will be some activity in the NBA free-agent market, which opens today, particularly among those teams that have money to spend. Those teams are Denver, San Antonio, Utah and the Los Angeles Clippers, and those first three will use every means at their disposal to get two quality players each.

    The Clippers, meanwhile, have an army of restricted free agents, which they can re-sign regardless of what offer they receive from other teams. The problem with the Clippers, however, is they have re-signed only two free agents since Donald Sterling has owned the team (Loy Vaught, Eric Piatkowski), and despite management claims to the contrary, that trend is likely to continue. Each summer, they are transformed from The Team to Watch into The Team to Leave.

    The vast majority of other NBA teams, meanwhile, is going Draconian: Fear of expanding the payroll and entering luxury tax territory is forcing most teams to curtail spending, so much that they won't even use the exceptions -- those extra funds available to teams over the salary cap -- on free agents.

    Indeed, the mid-level exception, which is expected to carry a value of $4.8 million once the new salary cap is announced in a few weeks, could buy a terrific player in this buyer's market. Utilizing this exception can allow a team to offer a six-year contract in excess of $35 million, and many of the aging stars of yesteryear (Alonzo Mourning, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Scottie Pippen) may find themselves with no other option but to take it.

    Last summer, however, only five teams used the mid-level on a single player -- Washington (Larry Hughes), Detroit (Chauncey Billups), and Sacramento (Keon Clark), Seattle (Jerome James) and the Lakers (Devean George) -- and there probably won't be more than five again until the economy improves. For example, Boston president Danny Ainge says that use of the exception this summer would be "irresponsible business," even though the Celtics desperately need to add a player to remain competitive.

    Another popular way nowadays to acquire free agents for capped-out teams is via a sign-and-trade agreement. That is probably the route Miami will take with Mourning, Milwaukee with Payton, and the Nets with Kidd, if he decides that capped-out Dallas is his next destination.

    But Kidd is the guy to watch. He will be the first domino to tumble, followed in short order by All-Star forward Jermaine O'Neal of Indiana, and the other big names will be snatched up fairly quickly when the moratorium on signings ends on July 16.

    Here's a review of who's for sale, and where they might be headed:

    THE ELITE

    Players who could receive as much as the market can bear, if not maximum deals.

    Tim Duncan:

    He'll get seven years and $120 million from the Spurs, no haggling necessary.

    Jason Kidd:

    Three options: Re-sign with the Nets, sign a max deal with San Antonio, or force a sign-and-trade to Dallas. And it still hasn't been established whether he will be the Spurs' top priority.

    Jermaine O'Neal:

    It will take a great sales job to pry him away from Indiana, but it isn't impossible.

    Gilbert Arenas:

    He's a restricted free agent, but a special case. Since he was a second-round pick in 2001, and given only a two-year deal, the Warriors can only match up to a $4.9 million first-year salary. Denver will offer much more than that.

    Alonzo Mourning:

    Think he could be done? His accountant won't think so. Miami is likely to look elsewhere, but he's high on the list for title contenders (Dallas, San Antonio, Lakers). The question is how his kidney ailment will affect the bidding. If healthy, he's still the league's second-best center.

    EARNERS

    Players who won't be maxed out, but will probably receive more than exception money.

    Michael Olowokandi:

    Yes, he has underachieved, but there aren't many 7-footers to be had. Denver is expected to make the most lucrative offer (say, in the six-year, $45-million range), but Miami could put in a sizable bid as well.

    Brad Miller:

    Another center, and they're rare. The Pacers will overpay to keep him if O'Neal gets away. And if O'Neal stays in Indy, Miller could be the Spurs' fallback choice.

    P.J. Brown:

    Everybody's Plan B. The Hornets can offer him a bundle to stay, but he has to see where that franchise is going, and may consider taking someone else's exception money, just to escape the George Shinn circus.

    Karl Malone:

    He says he wants to stay in Utah, Larry Miller says he wants him back, but in the end someone's going to say something stupid and the whole thing will blow up. He has targeted the Lakers, Spurs and Mavericks.

    Gary Payton:

    Ernie Grunfeld said the Bucks will re-sign him, but Grunfeld isn't around anymore, and this guy turns 35 next month. His market could dry up quickly: If he doesn't get a good offer from Milwaukee, he'll be forced to take the mid-level from the Lakers or Warriors. ... or perhaps even the Nets, if Kidd splits.

    Keon Clark:

    He flew under everyone's radar last year, and it won't happen again. The Kings are willing to pay to keep him away from their West rivals.

    BARGAINS

    Players likely to settle for the mid-level exception.

    Juwan Howard:

    He'll take a considerable pay cut from his $20-million salary last season, but he's a good, stable piece for a contending team.

    Scottie Pippen:

    If he doesn't get a sniff for the first few weeks, someone's going to steal him. Going on 38, he's still as good as anybody when his knee holds up.

    Rasho Nesterovic:

    Minnesota needs to hold on to him, especially now, since the pieces are coming together. But if the Spurs can't get someone from their A-list, he could hear from them.

    Derrick Coleman:

    There's no telling what the market will be for a 35-year-old who is playing well, but injury-prone. A good team may split the mid-level and offer him half.

    Dale Davis:

    Same boat as Coleman. At 34, he still has much to contribute, and teams like Boston or Orlando could really use him.

    RESTRICTED

    Players who can solicit a big contract, but whose offers can be matched by current teams.

    Elton Brand:

    The best of the restricteds, and worthy of a max deal. He'll have two options: Sign a one-year deal with the Clippers and become unrestricted next year; or sign a whopper offer sheet with another team and hope the Clippers don't match. Sterling says he'll match. Surprise: Nobody believes him.

    Andre Miller:

    Utah wants him, needs him, and probably will get him. After all, the Clips can't match every offer sheet that is dropped on Elgin Baylor's desk.

    Lamar Odom:

    Probably a good choice for the Knicks, but it will take a sign-and-trade deal to get it done, because the Clippers want to keep him.

    Predrag Drobnjak:

    Another second-tier big man, the Sonics want to retain him.

    Kenny Thomas:

    He was the Sixers best forward last season; he's not going anywhere.

    Richard Hamilton:

    On the verge of becoming an All-Star in Detroit, so he's not getting away, either.

    Jason Terry:

    Regardless of who owns or operates the Hawks -- AOL Time-Warner is still trying to get out of the way -- they can't afford to lose him.

    Corey Maggette:

    Nice player with room for improvement, he might slip through the cracks in Clipperland, where Sterling is expected to re-sign three or four guys and then close the vault.
     
  2. JoeBarelyCares

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    Payton and P.J. Brown would be awesome additions for the MCE. Maybe we could have a shot at whichever one the Lakers turn down. But Dallas would probably get the other one.
     
  3. Toast

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    The one I like best is the one they listed on the top of the "Bargain" section. If we could get Juwan Howard for the MLE, I'd do it in a snap.
     
  4. RHU525

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    Let's get Kenny THomas back here!!!!!
     
  5. LAfadeaway33

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    Even if we don't make a run at him which I doubt we will, I feel Corey Maggette is going to have a breakout year next year wherever he is.
     
  6. Desert Scar

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    Some modifications to the orginal post, otherwise a pretty good analysis....

    Dale Davis I think is under contract for 2 years.

    Rasha, a proven decent starting center, has to be worth more than Keon Clark, a proven very good back-up center.

    PJ Brown is a better fit than Howard though he is older. Sure would offer a full MCE to Payton (3 years), Brown (at least 2 maybe 3 years) or Howard (however long he wanted). All of these are long shots at best.
     
  7. J.Dub

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    Kenny Thomas was a black whole for us last year. He shot too much, problem is, he isnt that good of a scorer. He's good but not what we need back. I still think the Rockets will make a deal, a big one at that.

    This one will get laughs but I wouldnt mind having this guy...he hussles big time, didnt do a bad job on Yao last year even though he gave up 8 or 9 inches, he will be cheap and he is a JVG kind of guy...Mark Madsen. Another Dudley...now hear me out...

    Im not saying he would be the only free agent we go after he isnt that kind of a player! LOL
     
  8. Desert Scar

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    We could try to run an MCE at Maggette, but then we wouldn't go for Posey as they are too similar. And if you go for Maggette and the Clips match maybe you lost (or raised the price of) Posey in the process. Thus though Maggette would be a nice addition I think we are better just securing Posey for a little cheaper and targeting other positions with the MCE.
     
  9. RocketFan007

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    No.
     
  10. tod the bod

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    if we have the mce, i would like to see the Rockets go after Payton, move Francis to the shooting guard spot and either trade Cat or use him off the bench for "instant offense." And I hate Payton from his days on the Sonics. But with a real point guard like Payton, and a real coach like JVG, maybe the Rockets can actually make a push for another championship.
     
  11. Baqui99

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    Damn son. You still post here?
     
  12. tod the bod

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    once or twice a season -- I'm mostly a lurker these days, especially now that Rudy T. is gone -- replaced, by the way, with the guy who I have been pushing for the job for the last three years.
     
  13. Shot caller

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    I would like to get Payton and start:
    Payton
    Francis
    Posey
    Griff
    Ming

    Sixth-Man- Mobley.

    Mobley strikes me as a sixth man. Instant offense and energy off the bench and his salary isn't obsene.

    The 2nd string would be
    Francis/Mooch at the point.
    Mobley
    Boki
    Taylor
    Cato

    Francis might learn a thing or two about how to run an offence (and how to play defence) playing withthe glove.

    And if the Rockets reallly are willing to spend this summer, Payton could probably be ours for just over the exception.
     
  14. brentdapmp

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    Let me get this straight. You would rather have Madsen than Thomas. You must be hangin with eddie griffin too much.:confused: :confused:

    Kenny Thomas could hustle and rebound which we don't have now at the 4. Madsen could do the laundry in the clubhouse though.
     
  15. tierre_brown

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    Kenny Thomas also bring something to the 4 spot which we don't have: REBOUNDING. Him or PJ Brown would be an excellent addition to this team: hard-wordking, blue-collared PF, unlike MoT or EG.
     
  16. TaiMaiShu

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    Why not throw an offer out to each of the clippers we want. Odom, Brand, Miller, Maggette. Chances are they will not match all of them. Start with Maggette, then work up to your best offer to Brand. If they can't match, maybe we can then talk s/t.
     
  17. Texas Stoke

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    I agree with those who think we should go after Payton. I know it may be a long shot, but you never know. Milwaukee is hurting for a few big men so if Payton likes the idea of playing in Houston with Van Gundy then maybe the Rockets can work a sign and trade deal. I'd Give him Cato money for 3 or 4 years because to me it looks like the guy still has about 3 or 4 real good years left...

    Getting Payton should be the Rockets first priority because as we all know, with Francis running the offense, the team will never come close to maximizing its talents. Is that a knock on Francis, I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure even the people in places like Istanbul know by now that Steve Francis is NOT a point guard.
     
  18. RocksMillenium

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    Man that would be sweet! If the Rockets can get Payton with the exception without having to deal key players that would be awesome. I still don't like Francis at the 2-guard spot, but with Payton's defense, Francis and Payton's height, and Mobley off the bench, and Yao Ming, Kelvin Cato and Eddie Griffin's shot-blocking ability, we could live with a smallish backcourt.

    I agree, Juwan Howard would be a great addition. He puts up basically 18 and 9 per game. He isn't a full-time go-to guy, which makes him ideal for us, he puts up his points as more of a supporting player.
     
  19. Raven

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    Picking up either PJ Brown or Juwan Howard would automatically put the Rockets in the playoffs.

    I'm not big on GP.

    The Rockets need a big man more than an all star guard.

    Raven
     
  20. Nomar

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    I think the Rockets need to stay put this offseason.
     

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