Do you have a link to the SportsVU data or is it all paid for? I would love to look at DMo and other players over the years before I respond.
I don't think the market is that thin for either Dragic or Rondo tho Rondo would be harder to move. You could make the case for several teams to acquire either - start with Chicago. He's compliment Rose very well and be an insurance policy should he go down .... again. They could offer one of their bigs who are all likely more valuable than DMo. Phx probably doesn't want that NO pick as they have 3 #1's and a #2 in the next draft , what are they going to do with 5 rookies ?! Cant stash them all ,how do you make roster space for them all & its hard to move those picks to move up (remember Morey had three that he couldn't move ended up with Jones , DMo & #BeWell). (That may be a big part of why this deal isn't / hasn't been done , Morey needs to find a 3rd team to send the pick to who sends Phx what they want / need) Denver could use him and offer up one of their bigs or a pick that is likely very close in value to the NO pick. A three guard rotation of Lawson , Dragic & Afflalo would be solid. Denver might be more desperate being on the outside looking in .... New Orleans could use him ... and could offer up Anderson or maybe send them Gordon & another asset. NO would be dangerous with Dragic. Portland is another - Imagine a three guard rotation of Lillard , Dragic & Matthews. They could give up Leonard & McCollum or Robinson and McCollum and still have three good big men in Aldridge , Lopez & Kaman. Lots of options out there for Phx to consider that bring back immediate talent rather than another pick they don't particularly want in the next draft where they have more than enough already. Aldridge Griffin Marc Gasol Pau Gasol KG Duncan Horford Millsap Al Jefferson Kevin Love Bosh Dirk Boozer Anthony Davis Cousins Zach Randolph I probably left a few out .... but all of the above are better in the post than DMo. (And I do like DMo a lot).
SportsVu is $10K+ a year. NBA.com bases their player tracking data off of SportsVU data. It is the gold standard right now. I transitioned off of lineup APM early last season for synergy and SportVU. Best of luck.
basketballaholic the post was about pairing someone with Rondo (Stevenson) or going after someone else (a whale like Plow thinks is available) to pair with Rondo. Boston has great assets. As far as guys who are available I'm not sure. I didn't think Lance was available until a few days ago when I started to hear things. Do you know of the "Whales" the Rockets are targeting outside of Dragic that Plow thinks are available? The deadline is give or take 12 weeks away a lot can happen in between now and then
They're not going to offer Pau or Noah. That leaves Taj or Mirotic. So you're saying Taj or Mirotic for Dragic straight up. I'm saying possibly DMo for Dragic straight up. That's pretty comparable, Corrosion. In fact, at this point....I wouldn't trade DMo for either Taj or Mirotic. Javale has negative trade value. PHX doesn't want him. So, now you're down to Mozgov, Faried, or Hickson. At this point...I wouldn't trade DMo for any of those guys. A possibility. Anderson for Dragic. Interesting. Is Anderson better than DMo. Dunno. Would Anderson be more coveted by PHX than Terrence, KPaps, and Beverley??? Yeah, that would work...until this summer when both Matthews and Dragic are free agents. Now....is Portland going to pay both those guys big money to stick around?????? If the answer is no, then why trade for Goran? And you're talking Leonard and McCollum or Robinson (another pending free agent) and McCollum. How is that any different value than Terrence and Beverley or Canaan? No, they're not. Not the low block. Maybe the high post. But I'm talking about the low block. Half your list are high post and face-up guys. Big Al - yes
Nice post Corrosion! I agree with you with potential landing spots for Dragic. Those teams don't have the NO pick but moving back 5 or so spots from the NO pick for a different pick and a better young player than DMo, Cannan or Jones from one of those teams doesn't seem crazy. Rockets fans seem to feel like they are the ones that have the asset everyone wants and unfortunately that's not the case. Phoenix and Boston have a ton of future picks I would think a young talent playing in the NBA is something they would value more than the pick
I'll give you that the guys you listed tend to be better scorers, but not all of them are better post players then D-Mo. Hell I rarely even see KG workout of the post anymore. Dude is primarily a mid range jump shooter at this stage of his career.
Please stop posting. Aldridge is not being traded, and even entertaining it as a possibility is ignorant.
That's the $50m question .... He'd definitely solidify the guard rotation as Harden , Dragic , PatBev , Terry & Canaan is as good and deep as any in the league. The wing spots are sewn up with Ariza & KPap - both good defenders who score thru the flow of the offense & don't need the ball to be effective. An 8 man rotation with the following looks pretty solid if everyone is healthy - Starters Howard Jones Ariza Harden Dragic Bench PatBev DMo KPap I figure it takes the NO pick & Capela to get Dragic from Phx with a 3rd team being involved taking that pick in exchange for a player heading to Phx. Maybe you can upgrade Jones with the remaining assets and keep the above rotation in place. Jones , Canaan & the second rounders being the main assets here likely dealing with a team looking to shed salary or looking at losing a player to FA like Phx with Dragic.
Not to mention Dragic is never ever going to get a max contract. Who does jopat think Dragic is? Paul? Westbrook? PG is the deepest position in the league and Morey seems quite content going forward with Canaan and Bev. Perhaps if it was the summer of 2016 when the cap is going up by $20M++. But the cap looks like $66.7M next season. Not a lot of room for max contracts there.
I have seen no indication that McHale or Morey is unhappy with the Bev-Canaan duo. Have you? Harden is the PG on this team. Why Morey would spend serious money on an all purpose PG is beyond me. Spot up shooting and some ability to create are the prerequisites for the job. That is everything the Rockets need from the PG. And this season it costs $2M of cap. Can it get better than that? Please learn to dispassionately analyze basketball. Do not be fooled by "glamor" NBA players. You need to understand what the Rockets team needs. And it certainly is not Rondo or Dragic.
And unfortunately 2016 is the summer that D-Mo becomes a FA. We will see. I would miss him on the TV.
He is still only 24 years old and has been increasing his FG% for the last four years he has been in the best basketball league on earth. You shouldn't be writing him off as a bad shooter now. This is also why I highly doubt Minnesota trades him.
He is seriously injured. MIN can't trade him because his value is so depreciated. And I do believe the day of the assist first, can't reliably score PG is over and done with in the NBA. There is little if any market for Rondo. The Celts have been trying to trade him for three years. With no success.
Did some looking and based on those stats I'm not willing to back off my comment about DMo not being a good defender. Those stats don't appear to count his fouling tendency or for his movement as a defender. Also those stats are much much higher than they were over a larger sample size of 60 games last year. If you look at last year DMo gave up a higher fg% to opponents compared to the rest of the league. He is a little less of a foul machine than he was last year but he still fouls too much. He is in for a good test tonight and I will make sure to play extra close attention to his defense tonight.
D-Mo is averaging what - four fouls per 36? And no, those stats are not available for last year. Nba.com pulled them mid-summer. Unless you have discovered something I have not. If so share please.
4.4 fouls per 36 after averaging 5 per is first two years. They are available right here http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202700/tracking/defense/?Season=2013-14
