1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Heinrich =

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by Dubious, Jun 26, 2003.

  1. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    HORNACEK!

    I already hate him.
     
  2. TheFreak

    TheFreak Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 1999
    Messages:
    18,304
    Likes Received:
    3,310
    No way he'll be as good as Horny. I can't believe he was picked so high.
     
  3. LAfadeaway33

    LAfadeaway33 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2001
    Messages:
    1,825
    Likes Received:
    1
    I can't believe he went before TJ.
     
  4. YaoMing#1

    YaoMing#1 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    5,482
    Likes Received:
    4,937
    iv been watchin heinrich since his 1st yr at Kansas this kid can play he has a shot and is really quick and fast plus he is like 6'3-6'4 and plays real good defense, the man can get above the rim and throw it down, please this is not the normal white player he can actually do sumthin other than shoot the ball he is gonna be a real solid pro kinda like a more athletic steve nash he will make a bigger impact then tj ford this yr and the bulls made the right choice he is a sure thing.

    i dunno why some of u r so high on ford he i just real quick and can pass he has no shot and is to small to play defense against players like j kidd francis payton ext. he is gonna be fun to watch though ill give him that.
     
  5. bamaslammer

    bamaslammer Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2003
    Messages:
    3,853
    Likes Received:
    4
    Face it folks, you guys are a bunch of homers for T.J. Ford. He's a great point, but to me, Hinrich is the better of the two. Ford couldn't hit the ocean from the beach from the land of plenty and he has no mid-range game, essential with his lack of height (listed at 6-0, closer to 5-9) Hinrich has the size (6-3) and enough athleticism and shooting touch to make him a very good point. I think he will definitely be one of the top 5 points in the league in the next few years. I think T.J. will be close if he develops a more consistent touch from downtown.
     
  6. rock418

    rock418 Rookie

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    58
    Likes Received:
    2
    Damn what the hell is wrong with you TJ Ford haters? hell he has excelled at every level sh*t gary payton had a shot as bad or worse when he came into the league.:mad:
     
  7. rocketfan83

    rocketfan83 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    3,520
    Likes Received:
    31
    Heinrich is the man. He's quick, can shoot, and can dish as well as anybody in the draft. Hes not a bust, the bulls got a heck of a player. I was a little surprised they picked him even with Jay possibly being done, they still have crawford. One of them could be dealt by the start of the season.
     
  8. hpscc

    hpscc Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    187
    Likes Received:
    4
    Since both Hinrich and Crawford are kind of combo guards, I figure the Bulls will play both together in the back court, with Jalen at SF.

    Chicago would have three excellent passers on the floor to get the ball into Curry (and Chandler, though he's more a defensive player.)

    I do hope Jay recovers, but I think Hinrich might be a better fit with the Bulls then Jay was. Hinrich can guard SG's better and is a better outside shooter, something Chicago needs with Curry insdie.
     
  9. kidrock8

    kidrock8 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2000
    Messages:
    6,414
    Likes Received:
    4
    Yes he will. Hinrich is a much better athlete and will be able to get his shot off much easier than Horny.

    I can see Hinrich being a 15-18 ppg and 6 assist guy.
     
  10. TheFreak

    TheFreak Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 1999
    Messages:
    18,304
    Likes Received:
    3,310
    Hornacek shot over 50 percent 7 times. He put up 20 and 19 a game in his 2 seasons before Utah. No way Hinrich becomes that good.
     
  11. PhiSlammaJamma

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 1999
    Messages:
    29,960
    Likes Received:
    8,041
    If you look at ALL of Hornaceks stats, he should have been an MVP candidate one or two years. Sad to say. But true. But nobody really gave him the props when he was at the top of his game. Thank god for that.
     
  12. Desert Scar

    Desert Scar Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2000
    Messages:
    8,764
    Likes Received:
    11
    Hornacek had an almost unparalled ability to adjust his shot w/o being set. Hinrich doesn't have that kind of gift, and further, though Hinrich is an excellent shooter he does not have the Hornacek/Reggie Miller/Steve Kerr kind of pure unwavering stroke.
    I see the Hinrich-Hornacek similarities--but you are talking 1/10 chance that Hinrich is that good of a pro.

    Still, I like the pick for the Bulls. TJ was a more dominant college player than Hinrich, no doubt, but it would not surprise me if Hinrich is the better pro. Could go either way, I see TJ with more questions about his pro game but with higher potential. Hinrich also more fit what the Bulls need in that they have a big but not great shooting 1 already in Crawford.
     
  13. kidrock8

    kidrock8 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2000
    Messages:
    6,414
    Likes Received:
    4
    If Hinrich was able to shoot open shots off of away from the ball screens, he could come close.

    Horny's shooting % was badly inflated because he never really had to shoot off the dribble that often.
     
  14. kidrock8

    kidrock8 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2000
    Messages:
    6,414
    Likes Received:
    4
    Bulls needed shooters. So essentially, the anti-TJ Ford was needed at PG.
     
  15. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    I wonder why Hinrich's agent wouldn't spring for a haircut before the big draft show?

    What a mop-head.
     
  16. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2000
    Messages:
    10,220
    Likes Received:
    4,209
    Except that he measured out at 6-0. :rolleyes:

    I like Hinrich- he plays defense, can run an offense, and can shoot. A very efficient player. I think he's a very well developed player, but I'm wondering what exactly Chicago's plans are- I thought the whole reason for the Jay Williams trade rumors was that they wouldn't play Crawford and J-Will together?

    I don't see Hinrich becoming a superstar- he doesn't have the athleticism/quickness to do that. I do see him being a starting caliber PG, probably the upper half of the league. His upside IMO is something like Eric Snow plus a jump shot- that's certainly not a bad thing.

    I think Ford vs Hinrich is a situational thing, and if the Bull had to take 1, Hinrich was probably the better choice. But, if I were starting a new team from nothing, Ford over Hinrich every time.
     
  17. sydmill

    sydmill Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    2,274
    Likes Received:
    2,249
    look guys, TJ is short for an NBA player but he isn't just plain short. he measured out over 6' in shoes at the combine. if you dont believe that i had class with him and he was as tall/taller than me at 6'1/4'' (in shoes). regardless, a body type doest equal a good player (unless you're The Daddy). TJ has got game and will be great n Milwaukee. cant wait to get a Bucks #11.
     
  18. lalala902102001

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2002
    Messages:
    6,629
    Likes Received:
    445
    Hinrich is a perfect player for triangle offense, if the bulls are still using that. He's an excellent shooter and post passer and really understands the game. He was definitely the best player left on board when Chicago selected, but I was still a bit surprised that they took him. I think it might just mean that Jay Williams is done with basketball.
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,786
    Likes Received:
    3,705
    Doesn't passing ability have something to do with playing point. I noticed you didn't mention that in your analysis.
     
  20. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    are you going to sit there and believe that hinrich will become even close to as good a shooter as horny? c'mon now. he has shown nothing to make anyone believe that.

    in fact, isn't hinrich truly a shooting guard that's too unathletic to play the 2? in college, especially at a powerhouse like kansas, he can do that. but in the pros, his quickness @ the point is average at best. that will be exposed...bet on it.

    offensively, he hasn't demonstrated nba point guard explosion, either.

    he's looking more like a taller bryce drew than a jeff hornacek to me.
     
    #20 verse, Jun 30, 2003
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2003

Share This Page