You loose some to gain some. For Rockets, we need to make this deal more attractive than what the Raptors are potentially offering (4th pick and Davis). Even with the addition of Wallace, we might not contend for the title next year anyway, so this deal is made to essentially help us long term (get a quality player in Wallace that we can resign [our choice], get our OVERPAID bench players off the roaster, and enable us to free our cap space and make a run for the bigger free agent market next season). As I said earlier, I would even throw in a future 1st round pick to make the deal work. The Rockets needs to look ahead and look at the big picture. Why keep Rice and not Cato? Because Rice's contract comes off the books next year, further freeing up our salary. JVG could also use Rice as a veteran leader that he has coached before. And please no Damon Stoudamire, he is on MAX contract, and one of the main purpose of this deal is to free up our cap space! -G'day-
This could be a great trade that solves for now and later. First we have the initial Cato/Griffen for Rasheed deal, add to it a Mobley for Anderson and Daniels. We also add a future 1st and our 44th pick. They get Cato Randolph Wells Mobley Stoudamire Which leaves them with less headcase, and gives there team heart with Mobley, the desire and passion to win this team lacks. Rocks get after a resigned Posey Ming Rasheed Posey Anderson Francis
Houston trades: PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) Houston receives: PF Rasheed Wallace (18.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: -3.4 ppg, -8.0 rpg, and -0.3 apg. Portland trades: PF Rasheed Wallace (18.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.3 minutes) Portland receives: PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 77 games) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) Change in team outlook: +3.4 ppg, +8.0 rpg, and +0.3 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED One thing is for sure, the Rockets would have alot of cap space next year. I don't want Shed though, he is a head ache.
TaiMaiShu, your deal doesn't sound too bad, but we would also need to add in Rice or Taylor to make it work salary wise. Adding Anderson would be nice, plus he could also play the point, but his draw back will be his $35 million salary over the next 4 years. I'll do this trade if they take Taylor and not Rice to match the salary. btw, Daniels is a FA. -G'day-
i would only do the deal if rice is NOT included and we're very serious about going after a big FA next year. i'll admit i don't know our exact cap situation but even if we're right at the luxury tax level (seems to be 54M), if we can lose sheed and rice's salary next year, that's 26M (well rice probably makes more than 9M since that's only the contract's average) off the books, giving us 28M under contract. the salary cap is approximately 42M, which would leave us 14M under. that's enough for a max contract. if we give up rice in the trade, we would only be 5M under (like i said i don't know our exact situation and future moves could affect everything anyway) approximately, not enough to go after a huge FA. of course, which FA's are even considering leaving. does kobe wanna be a laker for life? is garnett resigning in minny? is brand resigning in lac land? ok, i guess there's one guy we know is available. of course, sheed could work out spectacularly, in which case we could just resign him. if he doesn't, we've got cap room and francis and ming to entice the FA's. either way, keep rice if we get sheed (which i feel is very unlikely as are all of these trade scenarios). it would probably pain me more to see mobley leave than any other rocket but for a sheed, i could do it. especially if mobley gets to go to a winning team. of course, maybe portland would just take cato/eg/mo t. anyway, it's all pipe dreaming but in my pipe dream rice must stay.
I think frontcourt depth is a bit overrated. Look at the last 2 nba champs, spurs/lakers. The spurs frontcourt: Duncan, old and often injured Robinson, Rose, Ferry + Willis when they're desperate. The Lakers: Shaq, Horry, Samake Walker, does anyone remember Walker doing anything positive on the court at anytime? Mark Madsen So those two teams didn't need frontcourt depth to win, and I think Yao + Wallace + whoever can potentially be better than the last 2 nba champ's frontcourt. I think the rockets can use the 44th pick to get a player better than walker or madsen, Tmo is better than those two right now. Sure, if Yao or Wallace gets injured, the season's over. But you can definitely say the same for most of the elite teams. I mean, only dallas + sac would be able to make the playoffs without their frontcourt star, and neither would be able to make it through the playoffs, as we saw this year. I would definitely do this trade, not only because wallace seems to be a good fit for the team: he can feed the post, he won't cause friction by demanding shots, van gundy might be able to turn his temper around; but also because in a couple of years, this will give the rockets options like the spurs currently have and they can build the team with solid role players if wallace doesn't work out. P.S. I get a kick out of watching Mark Madsen receive the ball in the high post, with no defender between him and the basket, think for 2 seconds, gee, should i shoot the wide open j or drive the wide open lane? Then promptly dribble away from the basket and hot potato it to Kobe. And the funny thing is that you'd rather have that than Samake Walker on the floor.
One thought for everyone that wants to move SF to the 2: it will not happen! A big part of SF not wanting the Grizz was they had him ear-marked for the 2 and he wanted NO PART! Wallace would be a good addition (depending on what we have to give up), but I agree with the post that said the last thing you want is bad karma in your new arena (with new team & coach).....could be good though....
Why argue about this if Rasheed was an offer for rockets i'd get him right away. Who cares if Rasheed was a trouble maker? who cares if he has tattoos all over his body who cares if he does drugs..we only care about bringing another all-star to the rocket team! Who care's about his lifestyle..we only care for his performance on the court. Look at Griffin, he ain't no angel; and his motivation stinks. C'mon i ain't hatin but isn't he a forward who is afraid to get drive to the hoop and gets most of his points from the 3 point line? C'mon we have Rice for that! I'd trade wallace for any extra(every1 except francis and yao) of the rocket team.
[ So essentially, Rockets trade Kelvin Cato 4.5ppg, 5.9rpg, 0.3apg Eddie Griffin 8.6ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.1apg Morris Taylor 8.4ppg, 3.6rpg, 1.0apg Moochie Norris 4.4ppg, 1.9rpg, 2.4apg Rockets receives Rasheed Wallace 18.1ppg, 7.4rpg, 2.1apg Jeff McInnis 5.8ppg, 1.3rpg, 2.3apg Trade outcome: -0.2ppg, -8.7rpg, -0.4ppg - Blazers trade Rasheed Wallace 18.1ppg, 7.4rpg, 2.1apg Jeff McInnis 5.8ppg, 1.3rpg, 2.3apg Blazers receives Kelvin Cato 4.5ppg, 5.9rpg, 0.3apg Eddie Griffin 8.6ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.1apg Morris Taylor 8.4ppg, 3.6rpg, 1.0apg Moochie Norris 4.4ppg, 1.9rpg, 2.4apg Trade outcome: +0.2ppg, +8.7rpg, +0.4ppg Rockets team for 03-04 PG Francis, McInnis SG Mobley, McInnis SF Posey, Rice, Nachbar PF Wallace, (sign anyone cheap) C Yao, Wallace complicated but I like it.Problem is getting portland to stop laughing and actually take this deal serioslly. ER go its not gonna happen
Yes, it probably won't happen. But as I said earlier, I would even throw in a future first round pick to make this deal work. Right now, Portland is trying to trade Wallace for Toronto's aging Davis and the 4th pick, and apart from the unknown yet exciting factor about drafting a new player with pick no.4, I think this proposed Rockets offer is quite comparable and serves as a good alternative for Portland if the Toronto trade fails to eventuate. -G'day-
Man come on to have wallace ,yoa, steve,cat and posey on are starting line up would scare the shooots out of teams.hahahaahaaha.
if we got rasheed and bonzi......man. that would rule. just to have a guy named bonzi would be cool. plus he's good.
Rose is a solid guy to have as a thrid big man while Willis at age 48 is still better than Collier at 24. Are you really ready for 10 minutes per game out of Collier at a minimum? That's the Lakers' achilles heal. Remember how Shaq missed a large chunk of games to start the season? It kept the Lakers from having home court in the playoffs. Did that cost them a championship? Plus Walker and Madsen are better than TMo and Collier. Sad, but true. Potentially better? Sure, but not this season. Neither Yao nor Sheed can dominate a game like TD or Shaq, not yet anyway. What has TMo done to prove he's better than Walker/Madsen? Is it his shooting touch? Post moves? Tenacity? Imposing size? Why roll the dice on a player like Rasheed? Brand, yes. I just don't see Wallace making the team that much better to take this large of a gamble. Taylor they can have no questions asked but I don't want to trade Griffin and Cato together. If a marquee name isn't available, I'd prefer to have the depth of Dallas and Sacramento. Feed the post? Don't you mean recieve in the post? Won't cause friction by demanding shots? He'll want his touches and he'll cause friction in other ways. As far as options after this season, which marquee FAs would you want? And please don't say Duncan. If all you want are solid role players than the trade is for not. You're already giving up a terrific one in Cato as well as a potential star in Griffin, Taylor is unwanted baggage. As do I but I'd be irate if I were a Laker fan. Watching Jason Collier on the floor in significant minutes would be the exact same thing. Watching TMo try to muscle with the PFs in the West would be just as entertaining.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! What are you doing?!?! Don't put RealGM in the hands of the unexperienced! You're asking others to play God here! Good lord, man! Don't you see what you've done?? Change in BBS trade thread outlook: +52.3% more threads with ridiculous trades, -34.7% less bandwidth, +67.2% more irate BBS members
I think with Steve Patterson going to the Blazers, there might be some truth to these trade rumors... Might be giving up too much (i.e. Mobley) on this specific one, although i'd love to have both those guys...We'd have some initial chemistry issues to work through...if we could get one of their guards (Stoudemaire or Daniels) instead of Wells - maybe we wouldn't have to part ways with Mobley... I find it hard to believe that they would want Cato back...
Rasheed...even though the guy has game...and i enjoy watching him play...would not be a good fit for this team. we brought in Van Gumby and so now have essentially guaranteed even more boring games than before. If we're scoring 80-90 pts a game how are we going to get everyone involved. If I had a magic crystal ball that could see into the future and understand what it is JVG wants to do with this team then I would have a more definitive answer. Griffin is just too young to give up on. If he were still in college he'd be an easy 20/10 guy...easily.
I'd say there's no way the Blazers put in Wells along with Wallace unless Steve or Yao is in there and we know that isn't going to happen.
