It's raining & I'm bored, sounds like the perfect conditions for another trade proposal. Okay, here goes. Houston sends Nachbar to Seattle. Houston sends Mobley/Collier(S&T) to Memphis. Memphis sends Swift/#27 pick to Seattle. Memphis sends Battier to Houston. Seattle sends Brent Barry to Houston. Seattle sends the #12 pick to Memphis. Memphis gets Mobley to compete with Person at the SG position & offer insurance in case he goes to another team next year. They also get a, thus far, underachieving, but hard working 7 footer that brings enthusiasm & a nice shooting touch to the floor (In spite of what some of you think, Collier has value). Finally, the icing on the cake that I believe will make Memphis pull the trigger, is that they get to swap the 27th pick for the 12th pick in this year's draft. That gives them 2 lottery picks to package & move up in this year's draft. Seattle gets the starting PF they so desperately need in Swift. Swift's low post game gives them a nice one-two punch with Radmanovic's perimeter game. They also get a promising young SF in Nachbar, which gives them some depth behind Rashard & they still have a 1st round pick (albeit, very late) in what is considered a very deep draft. Houston moves, what I believe to be a very selfish player in Mobley, & replaces him with an older(4 years older), but very good perimeter player in Brent Barry. They also acquire, what I believe to be, a very fundamentally sound player in Battier to start at the SF position. We do have to give up on the potential of Nachbar, but Battier is a known commodity & Nachbar is still an unknown. We have 2 stars to build around in Francis & Yao. By making this trade, we bring in 2 high quality role players to support them (Dream would've killed to have this kind of supporting cast during his prime). If we resign Posey (and I believe we must), that gives us 3 quality role players with size & defensive skills to rotate between the 2/3 positions & a resigned T-Mo to play the 3/4 position. I'm not including Rice in the rotation, because Doc Rocket indicated that he'd be traded before the summer is over. However, that may have changed with JVG coming on board. As for free agency acquisitions, I'd offer the full mid-level exception to one of Karl Malone/PJ Brown/Juwon Howard in that order. With JVG as our coach, it might be enough to sway one of them. If I can't get one of those, I'd attempt to trade Taylor and/or Rice to get a solid PF. Failing that, I'd just sit pat at PF & see if JVG can develop one of our current players. The next step that I'd take (assuming Doc Rocket's belief that the Rockets have a team option on Moochie's contract & can dump him is true), is to try & sign Tyronn Lue for the $1.3 mill exception to be my backup PG. If everything fell into place, we'd have a new lineup of: C: Yao/Cato PF: (Malone/PJ/Howard/traded player)/Griffin/Taylor(traded?)/T-Mo SF: Battier/Posey/T-Mo SG: Barry/Battier/Hawkins PG: Francis/Lue In my opinion, that'd be a Championship contender.
Interesting, but I think Seattle gets the shaft in that proposal. IMO Barry is worth Swift and the #27 alone. They guy scores, rebounds, passes, plays D. He is a very good all around player.
HT -- what do you think about a sending a re-signed Collier for Jeri Welsch of Golden State? The Warriors get a 7-footer who can shoot and set a pick so they can trade Tin Foyle, and we get a 6-7 backup PG and SG.
I'm not sure I'd do that deal. Welsch doesn't help us now & only offers potential at this point in his career. We've got enough of those players in Griffin, Nachbar, T-Mo, & Collier as well.
Doesn't make any sense for Memphis or Seattle. Why does Memphis need another swingman? They just traded for Mike Miller! Plus, what would they do with the 12th and 13th picks? The market to trade up is pretty thin this year. As for Seattle, you want to make them even weaker at the PG position? They don't have a true point, and Barry is the closest they have. Why would they deal him (one of the most underrated players in the NBA) for Bostjan Nachbar, Swift, and #27? They already have 2 firsts themselves. As for the other proposal - Golden State would laugh that off. Collier has no worth and would not lead them to trade Foyle just because they have another 7-footer. Welsch - whether warranted or not - carries much more value than that, despite his struggles last season. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but neither deal comes close.
thumbs - While we are both in a minority about Collier and while we both appreciate Jiri Welsch, I think you are missing some key issues in your evaluation. 1) Arenas is an unrestricted FA and if he bolts to DEN, Jiri becomes an important player to GS. 2) Regarding Adonal Foyle - the Warriors love the guy and are not parting with him. This is evident from the GS announcers and also Foyle's reputation as a solid leader in the community.
We're essentially giving up Nachbar and Mobley for Barry and Battier? I would never do that trade. Barry gives us nothing except for a decent three point shooter (which Mobley allready is) who doesn't play defense (which Mobley does) and Battier is at most a sufficient backup shoothing guard who had reached the limits of his potential where as Nachbar's seems almost infinite. It's not like we're getting rid of any contracts through this trade, we're only getting rid of talent.
True. However, when push comes to shove, I doubt Arenas will bolt from an up and coming team to one that will be mired in the cellar for some years to come. They are expected to take a point guard in the draft (Hinrich or Ridnauer) which makes Welsch expendable since they love little Earl as the backup PG. Secondly, I want to get some value for Collier if we are not going to keep him. However, unlike most of the board, I would prefer to keep J.C.
I like the original trade, but I'd rather get Battier and a 1st rounder. I do think Seattle would accept the trade. They are very up front and wouldn't mind losing Barry since he's past his prime and have Allen. They're going to draft a point in the draft anyways.
thumbs- Sign and Trades have to be 3 year deals. The Rockets aren't going to sign and trade Collier, because there is no market. If a team was willing to pay him, they'd use their MCE. Sure, he's 7 feet. That, and 75 cents will get him a soda. A team, maybe even the Rockets will give him a contract at the minimum, or maybe just above for a year, but no team is going to give him a 3 year deal, or worse yet, trade any sort of reasonable talent like Welsch or Courtney Alexander. toddie- It's an interesting idea, but I have no idea what Memphis is looking to do. They have a slew of wing guys that they've invested in ($/talent wise) in Dickerson, Miller, Battier and even Person. Up front, they hav Gasol and Swift as top picks, and Ren Wright is pretty solid and well paid. They have a lot invested at PG for $$ with Williams, Knight, and Watson. They need to revamp their roster but I have no idea where. No way Seattle goes with a Ray Allen-Cuttino Mobley backcourt, however.
Rats. I would like to see the Rocks get something for him rather than be a wasted pick. Also, Collier seems to be a good egg and deserves a real shot somewhere. Thanks for the information, NIKEstrad.
How does Mobley, MoT, and Moochie for Brevin Knight, Shane Battier, Stromile Swift and a future first rounder sound? Assuming that pick is around the #8 or #9 range..
I like Barry. He's a good passer, above average defensive player and good shooter. However, not sure trade would work unless you sign-n-trade Posey (vice Nachbar). Then I'm not sure I like it. Its not a bad idea, but...
Isn't Welsh going to get more time at 2 guard? He's athletic enough to stick if the Warriors are set at point. I can't see the Welsch for Colliers trade. Love for it to happen tho.
The swingmen they've got are Miller, Battier, Person, & Dickerson. Miller is their starting SF. Dickerson has only played in 10 games the last 2 years & ended the year on the injured list. Who knows if he'll ever be able to play a whole season again? Person is their starting SG, but he's over 32 years old & is a free agent at the end of next year. I guess Batiste & Humphrey qualify as swingmen, even though they have the size of a SF. However, neither can compete with Mobley. As for what they'd do with the 12th & 13th picks, they're very interested in Mickael Pietrus, but believe that he'll be gone before the 13th pick. They could package both picks & move up to get him. However, Pietrus is also a 6'6" swingman. Maybe, if they get Mobley, they'll trade up for a big man. Here's a couple of articles that confirm their interest in Pietrus. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...smith,1,7519655.column?coll=cs-home-headlines Teams drafting below the Nuggets are interested in trading. That's where West, long-daring trader, comes in. Memphis has the No. 13 pick in the first round, and West is trying to move up, apparently because he likes French guard Mickael Pietrus. Bulls general manager John Paxson, who has the seventh pick, goes to see Pietrus this week. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/6040716.htm The Chicago Bulls are interested in Memphis' Shane Battier, and the Grizzlies are interested in getting the No. 8 pick from the Bulls so they can draft French guard Mickael Pietrus. http://www.suntimes.com/output/bulls/cst-spt-camp06.html Not wanting to add more youth, there's a likelihood Paxson will trade the pick, and there is a market. Memphis is very high on Pietrus, who may not be on the board when the Grizzlies pick at No. 13. Because they need a PF & can draft a PG with the 14th pick or package the 14th & 27th pick to trade up a couple of spots to get Hinrich, Ridnour, or one of the other promising young PG's. Swift gives them a known commodity with NBA experience. He's starting to come on, he's very athletic, & he's more of a sure thing than any player they could draft at the 12th & 14th picks. Also, there are several very good, veteran free agent PG's available this off season such as Earl Boykins, Brian Shaw, Travis Best, Rod Strickland, Kenny Anderson, Darrell Armstrong, Mark Jackson, & Tyronn Lue among others. This trade would get them a starting PF & a future PG prospect. Here's a couple of articles to confirm Seattle's needs. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/134930043_draftcamp07.html The Sonics, who need help at point guard and power forward, own the 12th, 14th and 41st picks in the draft. So a player expected to go late in the first round could conceivably move into the Sonics' rear-view mirror this week. That assumes the Sonics don't trade one or both of their first-round picks. Sund was spotted making a telephone call shortly before a morning scrimmage. Was he calling another team about a possible trade? "No, I was just checking my messages," he said with a smile. But then again, would Sund really tip his hand if he were plotting a trade? http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/134797278_soni23.html Coach Nate McMillan made it clear last week that he believes the Sonics need to shore up the power-forward and point-guard positions. During an interview on KJR radio yesterday, Sonics president Wally Walker said Seattle will explore all options, including packaging the picks to move up in the draft or trading them for veteran players who could help immediately. "We've got two good (picks), two good assets, so things are going to heat up," he said. "The very realistic scenario is hanging onto those two picks. ... Based on the draft and our needs, we'd certainly like to improve our post play.
In spite of whatever drugs you're on, no he doesn't. Even if he did, he'll sign outright with whatever team he wants since he has publicly criticized the way he's been used in Houston.
Are you part of the Rocket's organization? If not, then you know no more than I do. Collier may very well sign else where, but with JVG here, that could change things. Collier is 7'0" 260lbs. & he hustles when he's on the floor. He's got a nice outside shot, a great attitude, & just needs time on the floor. If Cato hadn't suddenly started playing well, Collier would've most likely gotten more PT by default. Just because a player voices his displeasure with not playing, it doesn't mean he's a cancer to the team. The comments Collier made were stated only once & it never caused a chemistry problem with the team. The problem that Collier's had to face is that the Rockets are one of the only teams that have 2 starting caliber centers (assuming Cato continues his inspired play) & there was just no PT available for him. The other problem is that, imo, Rudy was a veteran's coach & wasn't a very good teacher for young players. In my opinion, Collier needs a good teacher & more PT. He does have value. By the way, just because someone has a different opinion than your's, that doesn't mean they're on drugs.
