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Rockets will NOT match the Chandler Parsons offer sheet

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Swishh, Jul 13, 2014.

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Dammit. He resigned for the Rockets in my 2k14 franchise for about $7mil. Now do I start a new franchise without him, or keep living in a fantasy world? Fantasy world it is.

On topic: I don't know what to feel. I'm a bit numb. If you love something, let it go...etc....

#821 getsmartnow, Jul 13, 2014

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Morey is a moron. Plain and simple. Not sure why people continue to defend him. He has made a number of bad moves including three with the same player (Lin - cutting him, giving him a horrible contract, then giving him away along with two draft picks for table scraps). He got rid of Dragic when we saw him coming into his own and most of us really liked him. Yes, he did get us Harden and Howard and that's great. But he's made a number of bad moves too. Also, he is way too focused on metrics and doesn't understand the importance of chemistry. You really think Howard is going to be happy that they traded his best friend on the team and a big reason why he joined the rockets? He will probably leave and re-join Parsons once both of their contracts are up (not coincidentally, at the same time). An utterly horrible/overly aggressive/too metrics oriented GM.

#822 RocketsWin, Jul 13, 2014
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Rockets025 said: ↑

I can see harden and dwight bouncing to okc together to join Durant

I could even see them bouncing to Dallas in a couple years to piss off Morey like he just did to them

I would pay anything to see the tension between harden howard and Morey in a room right now
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If that happens, we just re-tool again. Remember before Harden dropped magically on our laps, Les had finally agreed to let the team go into tank, err rebuilding mode.

Rockets will have good and bad days. Perhaps this is just to balance out the tremendous good fortune we've had the past two offseasons. The next moves will go our way again ... patience ... faith

#823 RoxBeliever, Jul 13, 2014
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Ummm, I am not working based on hindsight? You don't have to twist and screw my arguments around to fit your weak-ass premediated propositions?... dumba$$ logic inserted here...Your infantile, moronic arguments don't even begin to touch on the main point I was trying to make.
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Would neg-rep if I could.

#824 treeman, Jul 13, 2014
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Ummm, I am not working based on hindsight? You don't have to twist and screw my arguments around to fit your weak-ass premediated propositions?

Look, I do not care if we paid him 900k or 15m this season. I mean I would MUCH rather prefer to pay this guy 900k, but if he comes at a 15M price tag? So be it. We have assembled one of the best teams in Rockets history and were already a title contender last season if not for miraculous performances by a much inferior team. We blew them on in the regular season. BLEW OUT.

Why couldn't we have signed him as an UFA? I really don't get this. Surely Parsons will come back and say, "hey, this team signed for this amount, will you match?". Couldn't Morey have signed him then? Was Parsons so angry with this team that we HAD to make him restricted just to force him to stay?

Either way, it doesn't matter. 900k or 15m, you pay this guy. He is young, talented, a leader of the team, and has just been selected to Team USA. Gordon Hayward was matched and Utah is nowhere the team we are and will be.

This is just one crazy move.

Your infantile, moronic arguments don't even begin to touch on the main point I was trying to make.
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Also, you need to be realistic about what sort of team we were last year. We weren't a title contender "if not for miraculous performances by an inferior team." First of all, this isn't like football or the world cup, where one lucky afternoon can have you advance to the next round. Basketball is best of 7. The best team usually wins. The fact that portland only needed SIX games to beat us means we were AT BEST even. They definitely weren't a clearly inferior team.

And even if we beat portland, we would have gotten swept by the spurs or beaten in 5-6 games at best. You are blind if you don't see that. We definitely wouldn't have been a title contender.

#825 AstroMechPLZ, Jul 13, 2014
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I'm just upset that we lost our best asset for absolutely nothing!!!

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I just woke up to this

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sign-and-trade talks between Houston and Dallas have ended, sources say. So Rockets won't be salvaging trade exception from Parsons' exit</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/488487558125719552">July 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Rockets believed they could create trade exception if Mavs & Parsons agreed to re-do their deal as a sign-and-trade. However ... (1 of 2)</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/488487877987549184">July 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mavs understandably cool on the idea of helping a Texas neighbor escape with a valuable asset. So original offer sheet to Parsons stands</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/488488123396284416">July 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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#828 J.R., Jul 13, 2014
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Did everyone forget that we have arguably the best duo in the league? Who's to say we don't improve on last year? Was Parsons a part of the system? I believe in the direction of this team. Our young guys will need to step up but we still haven't reached our peak....

In Morey we trust... I understand the move...

#829 Rockets FTW, Jul 13, 2014
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Just a horrible offseason thus far. With Parsons & Lin, you at least had 2 guys that could handle the ball and create shots when Harden was sitting. Now what? When James sits, who is going to score for us? I'm all for having 3-D players, but I view them more as 1st off the bench/situational starters. Our offense is going to be awful to watch this year, even with the starters. Bev/Ariza/Jones basically offer NOTHING. And for what? A prayer that Love/Dragic/Milsap will listen in 2015?

I wonder how different this offseason would have been if Lillard missed that shot and we move past the Blazers. Morey is concerned he didn't have a championship caliber team, I counter that the addition of Ariza to last year's squad and a new defense-oriented coach/assistant would have been the perfect moves. Wouldn't be surprised to slip to 6th or 7th seed as Memphis (healthy Gasol + VC) & Dallas (2x Chandler) both improved.

#830 Mkieke, Jul 13, 2014
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You don't understand. This move wasn't about saving money. With the Parsons max contract + trade kicker, there was 0 chance in hell we were getting anyone else for the next 3 years as it requires moving the immovable Parsons contract. This would be the championship-contending squad we will be stuck with. Morey concluded, rightly or wrongly, that this wouldn't have won the championship.

By declining to match, we have space for a max contract as long as we sign short term deals with our remaining capspace (that roll off in a year) and are able to trade a very reasonable Ariza contract.

Sure, you might say we would just strike out again and waste the prime Dwight years. That's possible, and even very likely, but I would rather have a 25% chance to land a third star and win a championship than 100% chance of being stuck in the second round at best.
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Ok bro, let me put it this way. Morey has assembled the most appealing, attractive, comfortable team EVER in my recent memory when it came to a team propositioning to woo a star free agent.

AND NO ONE CAME.

Melo didn't even bother thinking twice about us, LeBron was never going to come, Bosh had Houston as a Plan E.

Morey concluded that he couldn't be a 3rd star? WOW, does it matter? So Trevor Ariza is just that superstar 3rd fiddle that we were all along looking for?

Look, can Parsons be a 3rd star on this Rockets team with the best SG and best C in the league to win a championship? ABSOLUTELY.

We SWEPT the Spurs 4-0, last season.

But now lets put it another way, PRESUME Parsons is not good enough to be the 3rd star on a title team. Then what? We give up? Give him away for nothing? Now is our team better? Is this what Dwight sacrificed so much for? All this asset wheeling and dealing has only ONE goal in mind, TO GET A PLAYER OF PARSONS CALIBRE generated from the conversion of much lesser assets, either by trade, or other means. And now we have the exact player we are looking for, and we give him away for NOTHING? NOTHING??!! NOTHING?!?!?!

Trade? Do we NEED to trade him? Can't he just play for us and we can improve in other ways other than to trade our young, talented, 17/6/4 star SF in this current era of voluptuous frenzy of mega-overpaid role players?

Why do we even bother spending so much energy and time on getting a second round pick here and there? Why do we care if he is good enough to be the 3rd star or not on a championship team?? HE MAKES THE TEAM BETTER. Period.

Is James-Wade-Bosh good enough for a championship? NO? OH NO THEN WE MUST TRADE ONE OF THEM AWAY!!!!!!

I could go on about this forever, but I will just leave it here. He makes us closer to that championship than any other option would, and we let him go for money savings.

Even in the slightest chance that you and Morey's argument has the most negligible chance of being invalidated, then the best case outcome is: We waste one year of Harden and Howard's prime while getting another superstar in 2015 that has zero guarantee of a championship. I would much rather have a bird in hand than 2 in the bush. And those 2 in the bush does not mean a championship anyways.

#831 W22_STREAK, Jul 13, 2014
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Personally, I'm indifferent to letting Parsons walk. I could see it justified both ways.

However, in terms of NOT matching, there are reasons why it makes sense. Setting aside the grotesque amount of money, the 3rd year player option, and trade kicker (making it VERY difficult to trade), from a roster construction point of view it does make sense.

Let's set a few basic assumptions...

-Asik was gone no matter what. He wanted out last year, he wants out this year, and if we didn't trade him he would just get mysteriously injured or mail it in for his last season. He got back on board last season, but only after Morey made clear that he'd made good faith efforts to trade him.

So, any arguments in terms of us getting "worse" should NOT include Asik as he was gone regardless.

-Lin is gone because Bosh screwed us. The way FA works, is that you can't have a signed offer until you have the actual cap space. If Bosh says he's coming, then you have to take him at his word. However, there's nothing in the CBA that prevents him from changing his mind and completely screwing you over even after you've given up players and picks to clear the decks. You can bet that Morey wasn't moving Lin unless he was 99% sure that Bosh was coming.

Lin is gone because he had to be gone in order to facilitate a Bosh signing. Morey made the correct steps in working to clear cap space as he was operating under the assumption that Bosh was coming to Houston. Let us also not forget that Parsons was on a time deadline. Morey didn't have the luxury of screwing around in terms of moving Lin and other players if he wanted to match Parsons if Bosh was coming.

Now, as for Parsons he's a good player. And at minimum salary he was a fantastic bargain. At $15M he's overpaid. At $15M with a 3rd year option AND a trade kicker, he's a terrible contract. However, if you have Bosh you have to eat that contract.

However, we don't have Bosh, so why didn't Morey match Parsons?

While Parsons himself isn't easily replaceable, a portion of his production IS easily replaceable. Ariza isn't as good as Parsons offensively, but he IS far better defensively. And he plays the same position as Parsons. Keeping both would have created an unnecessary duplication of skills and inefficient use of team salary.

So, instead of matching Parsons for $15M, you give Ariza $8M and use the resulting salary difference to sign a solid back up PG, or back up C, or starting PG and move Beverley to the 2nd unit, or a solid power forward, or any combination of the above.

As long as the Sum of the parts is greater or equal to what we would have had with Parsons and Lin (remember, Asik is gone anyway) then we did okay. It was always unlikely that we were going to find a significant back up C... there's just not a lot of those guys flying around.

The problem with matching Parsons is that it makes it incredibly hard to upgrade the power forward spot, or to add a decent back up Center/swing 4, or to add a decent back up PG down the line.

Right now it looks bleak, but FA is far from over. We'll see what Morey does in terms of picking up support pieces. If he gets some nice scoring depth on the bench (our weakness last season) and suitable players to cover at the back up PG and C, then it's still possible for this team to be as good or better than last year.

While that's hard to conceive, let's remember that our bench last year was heavily dependent on guys like Garcia, Dmo and Casspi... IE, they weren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard consistently.

So, let's see how this plays out.

Even if we end up with a step back this year, the nature of FA is that there are no guarantees. There are 29 other teams that want to land the best players, if you get more than your fair share you're doing pretty well.

Finally, if all else fails take some comfort in that Dallas has a terrible contract on their books tying up their cap space going forward. If anything goes even slightly wrong in Dallas, they have NO room for error.
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You can write a whole book on why it all makes sense but one big fact trumps everything. Another year of Dwight's prime down the drain.

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The worst thing is, I actually think Parsons will be a better player in Dallas now that he has an actual coach who, you know, actually runs plays. Can we please get rid of McHale for the love of god.

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lawl blew up the team

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sign-and-trade talks between Houston and Dallas have ended, sources say. So Rockets won't be salvaging trade exception from Parsons' exit</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/488487558125719552">July 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Rockets believed they could create trade exception if Mavs & Parsons agreed to re-do their deal as a sign-and-trade. However ... (1 of 2)</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/488487877987549184">July 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mavs understandably cool on the idea of helping a Texas neighbor escape with a valuable asset. So original offer sheet to Parsons stands</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/488488123396284416">July 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Morey should just accept last minute. What the hell. Morey couldn't just have threatened Mark Cuban that if they didn't turn this into a S&T, he'd just match the offer?

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#836 mvpcrossxover, Jul 13, 2014
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I'm just upset that we lost our best asset for absolutely nothing!!!
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50 of Morey's "shrewed", "sneaky", "long-term foresight" trades gets us to a Chandler Parsons.

Now we give him away for NOTHING.

Gosh I am so going to hold my breathe for the next 50 future second rounders that Morey will be going to war for.

#837 W22_STREAK, Jul 13, 2014
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Ariza better defender and better 3 point shooter for half the price. good move my Morey.

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Would neg-rep if I could.
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Well TOO BAD!! YOU CANT, FOOL. So just STFU.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2426/trevor-ariza at $8mil a yr. >>>>> than http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6466/chandler-parsons at $15mil a yr.

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