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Me eat crow if a team wins a title with Willis on its roster? Not a chance

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by JBIIRockets, Jun 9, 2003.

  1. JBIIRockets

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    Me eat crow if a team wins a title with Willis on its roster? not so sure

    That's right. In the past I said that any NBA team with Kevin Willis on it would never win a championship.

    But, he never plays anymore, he's never on the court long enough to suck and kill any momentum the Spurs gain. Thus I don't have to eat crow.

    I don't have to eat crow because, frankly, I am still right about my claim that any team that Willis is on (providing that a team has to depend on heavy bench minutes from him every game) will never win a title.

    The reason I said the Spurs would not win the champioship this year was because I was assuming that the Spurs would depend on Willis in their playoff run. So far, the Spurs have barely used him.

    You see, Willis sucks so much as a player that he can't even get off the bench.

    I mean, Willis has played only 4 minutes in 3 games in these Finals.

    In the West Finals, Willis played 17 minutes in the 6 games.

    In the semis, Willis played a misleading 48 minutes against LA. In close games that the Spurs won (Game 1 and 5), Willis played 2 minutes. Many of these minutes were played in garbage time of the routs.

    Willis played 15 minutes in a close Game 4, and the Spurs LOST!

    And against Phoenix, Willis played 6 minutes in whole series!

    The Spurs aren't dumb. Veterans are supposed to play a lot, but Willis is such an ineffective player, the Spurs don't play him. They know that if they play Kevin Willis many minutes (like the Rockets did in 97), the Spurs would not be this far.

    If the Rockets made Kevin Willis the 12th man, and groomed Othella during that season to have him play in the playoffs instead of Willis, the Rockets could have gone to the 97 Finals. Whereas Willis playing heavy minutes against the Jazz gave the Rockets no chance to win that series.

    Since Willis can't get off the bench, I don't have to eat any crow because his crappy game isn't on the floor to hurt the Spurs in their playoff run.

    Props to the Spurs for understanding how bad Willis sucks as a player. I wish the Rockets realized this back in 97.

    Could have been a totally different story back then.
     
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    That statement has nothing to do with his playing time.

    Eat crow dude. And enjoy.
     
  3. OverRRated

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    What's the beef with Willis?

    Anyway, we lost to Utah because we lost Cassell and Horry.
    Also, remember the Bear Hug.....errrrr.....pick Malone set for Stockton to be able to hit that shot.
    Though, that wouldn't have happened if the Rockets would have continued their control of the second half instead of celebrating during the end of the third quarter allowing them to lose focus on the game, and let the Jazz close us out.
     
  4. Easy

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    You are the only person I've ever met that hates Kevin Willis so much. :confused:
     
  5. SteadyBallin

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    I'll give you my address and phone number and if the Nets win I'll send you $50 dollars No Joke.Now if they win you gotta post a picture sayin The Spurs Are The Best Team In The NBA with Kevin Willis On Thier Roster.And you gotta post a thread on why the Spurs won the title and say that they where the better team.Cant beat that deal
     
  6. SteadyBallin

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    STOP YA CRYIN LIKE A "BIA BIA" AND GET OVA IT MAYN.THE ROCKETS LOST AND IT WAS MEANT TO HAPPEN.IT'S JUST A GAME.YOU ACKIN LIKE IT WAS KEVIN WILLIS FAULT THAT THE ROCKETS LOST THAT GAME.WHEN YOU WIN AS A TEAM YOU LOSE JUST THA SAME.
     
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    JBII, if you don't take that offer, I'm gonna slap you next time I see you. :D
     
  8. JBIIRockets

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    Your right rez, and since I did not clarify that in my statement, I have to eat a little crow I guess.

    The bear hug (or one play) is not the reason the Rockets lost. Everyone always remembers Game 6, but fail to recognize how nightmarish Kevin Willis played in the games at Utah. In game 2, Willis play the worst game I have ever seen a Rocket play. (Clutch has a recap of this game somewhere, do not know what that link is, read his comments about Willis, they are priceless)

    Kevin is the biggest reason the Rockets lost to the Jazz. I will go to my grave believing that. Whenever he came off the bench, his questionable court sense always killed Rocket momentum. He couldn't make 2 footers, and he got untimely technicals that gave the Jazz momentum.

    The guy doesn't try to suck, he just does.

    He is a 7 footer who plays 6'7'. Has the most overrated jump hook in NBA history, and takes jump shots out of his range. He never knew his limitations.
     
  9. JBIIRockets

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    I can do this. Although Small Kev won't get much credit since he plays like 2 minutes a game. But I will glorify the Spurs when they win a title with Kev, and explain why they were better than the rest of the NBA.
     
  10. OverRRated

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    I know that one play isn't the 'single' reason we lost.....thanks for quoting my entire statement.
    :rolleyes:

    Really, what do you have against Willis?
    Did he boink your girl or something?
    :p
     
  11. Cato=Bum

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    We lost because the Jazz were a better team. The bearhug was dirty, but we still would have lost in game 7.
     
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    You're welching on a bet buddy. Willis had some nice minutes against Shaq and he played a role in getting the Spurs number 1 seed. Eat up or go down in infamy.
     
  13. JBIIRockets

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    The crow I eat will just be a snack because Willis didn't play many minutes. Malik Rose did that.

    Willis is never a problem in the regular season. It's the playoffs where his shortcomings become so evident.

    Good minutes against Shaq??? Ummm okay.....try 2 minutes in all of Game 1, didn't even get off the bench in Game 5.

    He did play 15 minutes in Game 4 against Shaq, and look what happened,,,the Spurs lost that game.

    The rest of the minutes came in garbage time in Games 2 and 6.

    So you saying that Willis played some nice minutes against Shaq is WRONG.
     
  14. Easy

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    JBII,

    You still haven't explained why you hate Willis so much. He's not successful like Shaq to command jealousy. He's not dirty like Malone to command disdain. He's not arrogant like Jordan to command attack. He's not snobbish like Pippen to command rage. There are many worse players in the NBA than Kevin Willis in terms of basketball competence. Willis is just an ordinary good old pro basketball player. What makes you single him out as the target of your hatred?
     
  15. JBIIRockets

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    Easy, if the search function was enabled, you would have already known why I hate Kevin Willis as a player. I have explained this many times.

    But I'll explain again.

    You say Willis is just an ordinary good old pro basketball player. But he is not a good player. He is an ineffective old pro basketball player. He is a seven footer that can't block shots. He doesn't know his limitations on offense. His jump-hook is severely overrated. He will occasionally shoot a 20 footer, which is completely out of his range. He always blows lay-ups. He has butterfingers, can't catch passes. He yells at refs and gets momentum killing technical fouls.

    Easy, did you watch any of the 1997 West Finals games in Utah? Do you remember those? Well, I have them on tape and saw them live as well. Kevin Willis, in those games, played as bad as any big man could play. He gave the Rockets no chance to win up there. I will never forget that.

    Go read Clutch's recap about Willis' performance in Game 2 at Utah. Clutch's assessment of Willis in that game was so right on.
    (Clutch has the link somewhere, may have to ask him to get it for you)

    Kevin Willis is the main reason the Rockets did not get to play the Bulls. It wasn't the lack-of-depth at PG, it was Willis.

    Hakeem, Barkley and Drexler played well. But when Willis came off the bench, his pathetic play always helped the Jazz get back in the game or pull away from the Rockets. He never finished plays. When Willis attempted his jump hooks in the 1997 conference Finals, I think he made like 1 of 10.

    You know, there is a reason the Atlanta Hawks quality teams of the mid-to-late 80s and early 90s never even made it to the conference Finals. Based on how Willis performed as a Rocket in the playoffs, he was most likely the big reason why the Hawks never got further.

    the 1994 Hawks finished first in the East, didn't even get past the second round, you think Willis had anything to do with that, I do.

    Did I answer your question bud?
     
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    Mmm. . . not really. Assuming all that you said was true about Willis, you can easily say the same things about quite a few old and new Rockets. Still don't know why you pick on him. But that's OK with me. I'm not trying to argue with you or anything. I'm not a Willis fan. Just curious, that's all.

    Hate on. ;)
     
  17. JBIIRockets

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    Well,

    Small Kev played 16 minutes in Game 4 for the Spurs and the Spurs lost, go figure.

    It's not coincidence that when Willis plays important minutes in the crucial minutes of games that his team loses all the time.

    The Spurs lost their slim second half lead whenever he was on the floor, then got it back when he left the floor, then he came in after Robinson fouled out, and I can honestly say that I knew the Nets would win this game.
     
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    He should have grabbed the rebound at the end of the game, that he let Mutombo have.

    Willis blows.
     
  19. JBIIRockets

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    Your right Kidrock8, and how about the pass he dropped from a penetrating teammate (forgot who it was) late in the game, and the ball went out of bounds off Willis. Had Willis caught it, he had an easy layup. Could have been the difference.

    Of course, he probably would have blown that too.

    ole butterfingers comes through again.
     
  20. s land balla

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    wtf does "eating crow" mean??
     

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