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Muslim Woman Must Drop Veil for License

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rockets34Legend, Jun 6, 2003.

  1. Rockets34Legend

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20030606/od_nm/life_veil_dc

    MIAMI (Reuters) - A Muslim woman who cited religious reasons in refusing to remove her veil for a driver's license photo must show her face for the camera if she wants her license reinstated, a Florida judge ruled Friday.

    In a case that pitted claims of religious freedom against security concerns, Circuit Judge Janet Thorpe ruled that Florida has a compelling interest in identifying drivers during traffic stops and that photo images are essential to promote that interest.

    "The requirement that all potential drivers have their driver's license photos taken unveiled, uncloaked and unmasked does not unconstitutionally burden the free exercise of religion," the judge wrote.

    The plaintiff, Sultaana Freeman, obtained a Florida driver's license that showed her wearing a black veil with only her eyes uncovered in February 2001.

    Seven months later, the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles notified her that her license would be revoked unless she was photographed with her face showing.

    Freeman refused, saying her faith did not permit her to reveal her face to strangers or men outside her family. The 35-year-old U.S. citizen has worn a full veil since converting to Islam about six years ago.

    The American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) sued on her behalf, arguing that revoking the license violated her right to religious freedom. They said the state acted out of prejudice against Muslims and only objected to the veiled photograph after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

    Attorneys for the state said Florida has a legitimate public safety interest in establishing drivers' identities. They said the original license was issued in error and that if Freeman were allowed to hide her face in her license photo, terrorists could do the same. They also said she could be photographed privately by a female licensing official.

    Islamic scholars differ widely on the religious requirement of veiling for women, as well as the extent of what the faithful call "modest dress." As a result, practice among Muslims varies widely.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Good, it was a ridiculous request to begin with. The whole purpose of having an identification card is to be able to, uhhh, identify someone.

    She could always move to Saudi Arabia & then she wouldn't have to worry about pesky little things like driver's licenses.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    If Allah doesn't women to have their faces seen, then I doubt he likes women driving.
     
  4. Lil Pun

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    Screw Allah, God, or whatever supernatural force you worship. I say do what you want to do.
     
  5. The Real Shady

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    If you don't like it then don't get a license. I can just see the widespreed use of fake ID's if they allow people to take ID pictures with mask on.
     
  6. wouldabeen23

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    Makes ya wonder how gawd-awful ugly she is....:D
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    You asked, so don't blame me if you don't like what you see.

    Here's her mugshot from a few years ago when she was arrested for beating a foster child (classy woman, this one):

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/sultaana1.html
     
  8. wouldabeen23

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    I wonder how the Saudi's punish child abusers? Scimitar to the neck anyone? hehehehehe!
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Good for us.

    DD
     
  10. weakfromtoday

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    its repeated all the time, a driver's liscense is a privillage, not a right.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Does that us include American Muslims?:rolleyes:
     
  12. rockHEAD

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    she better frame this one, cause it's the last time she'll have a license that shows her in her veil...
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    It includes all American's you ninny...good for US, means good for US !!!

    It means good for standing up to this ignorant lawsuit, and a realization that driving is NOT a right, but a privelidge, and if you don't want to comply by the rules, you can get a bus pass.

    Pgabrial...get it, got it? GOOD !!!


    DD
     
  14. MR. MEOWGI

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    I dropped my pants for my license.
     

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