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What Is Van Gundy Going to Do With The Mobley/Francis Issue?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rodzilla, Jun 5, 2003.

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  1. zhaozhilong

    zhaozhilong Member

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    WTF

    You think everyone in the world wants to "defect"?
    WZZ is now begging (not exactly) to be allowed to play for the CNT again.
     
  2. DavidS

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    He'll change that. Else, we'll still be known around the league as the "iso team."

    And, because of that, we'll never win a chamionship.

    But again, the players have to trust him and believe in his philosophy.
     
  3. Pat

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    This is just my assumption, but I think Yao has more loyalty to his national team than he does the Rockets. I mean why wouldn't he.
     
  4. dn1282

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    I don't see how resting (sitting around on your ass, basically) and lifting weights is going to increase your stamina.

    To tell you the truth, I'd much rather have a tired Yao on the floor than to let Cato play 20+ minutes.
     
  5. DavidS

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    True. It's nationalisim. No reason to blame him.

    But as he gets to know the Rockets players more, he'll get closer and gain more loyalty.
     
  6. Rodzilla

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    Reason why he was Ineffective was duo to the fact his team pushed him away from the ball. He had the feeling that Francis/Mobley were the Scorers, and he would compliement them in each and every way. He looked for the rebounds and block shots. I think If the rockets said "Listen Ming, we want you to score 18 points a game, this means you dont have to past the ball to Moochie Norris so he can brick a shot." Ming is a sweet shooting percentage when he did shoot the ball. Why dont the rockets dump the ball to ming and let him shoot about 25 shots a game. My ? exactly..........
     
  7. Rocket River

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    I hate over coaching . . so i how Van Gumby does not
    try to call plays every time down

    Rocket River
     
  8. Relativist

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    I'm probably taking him too seriously, but based on Van Gundy's compliments of the team from the media session, I'm inclined to think Van Gundy's coming in with the assumption that he can make the core work. Granted, that's what you're supposed to say in such a situation, but I somehow don't think he would've mentioned Cuttino if he didn't plan on keeping him.

    I'd love to see this team succeed with Cat. Time will tell.
     
  9. OUTITAN

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    If Van Gundy is the coach all his supporters think he is then he'll make SF and Mobley work as a tandom. I think this will happen and I haven't been in the JVG camp all along. He's a hard nosed basketball guy who will demand better play from both of these young guys and they will respond accordingly.

    SF takes his point guard duties seriously but was never pushed to perfect his role by Rudy. Every now and then he'd bust out a monster night, dishing the ball beautifully and scoring just enough to keep his man honest. This wastes some of his offensive ability but if we use any type of a motion offense he'll still get his points.

    JVG will be able to hone the core of players we have now and mold them into a winner. There won't need to be any drastic trades, rather we will resign Posey and try to work small deals to bring in a pair of veterans for stability. That's my take and i'm sticking to it.

    Then again none of these thoughts matter because he isn't our coach yet and no one knows what he will determine is best for the team when he is. I'm curious if he will be signed today or not because unless the Knicks are feeling generious they still own him until August..
     
  10. Yetti

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    Would you consider it very important to move Moochie and Rice? And how about a big deal to bring in a good Veteran?
     
  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Did you read the whole post? I said that I did not think he would defect. Obviously this means I don't think everyone in the world wants to defect. In fact, I didn't mention one person who I think does want to defect.

    uac,

    Yao can make more money by not sending half of his income to the Chinese government than he cn with marketing in China. He is already in as much marketing in America as any other NBA player, plus he will be getting a huge contract in three years. If money were his only consideration, then defecting would be a no brainer.

    Rodzilla,

    Did you see the games? Yao was getting like 30 touches plus per game. He was getting stripped or blocked on a lot of them and his shooting percentage plummeted late in the season. He was worn out.

    dn1282,

    I didn't say lifting weights, I said get in shape. That means a conditioning program and probably includes, but is not limited to, weightlifting. He should just follow the same regimen as the other NBA players who know what it takes to prepare in the offseason. Ask Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett what they do in the offseason and copy it. I guarantee they aren't playing in the Asian games and whatever else the NT has Yao doing. Every game they commented on how Yao had been playing for 18 months or something without a break. The guy needs a vacation and a regular program to reach his full potential.
     
  12. OUTITAN

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    That pretty much the level of trade i'm talking about. A big deal for a good veteran would depend entirely on who we had to give up. I don't think you're going to convince CD and LA that its time to trade Cat, or Griffen yet.

    Sending away moochie and rice and maybe even Taylor for a tough rebounding PF and solid back up guard would be about as much as I can see happening. I don't see any of the promising young stars being shipped out until the new coach gets a season to test them out. Cato is unlikely to get sent out because he's good insurance for Yao and his contract sucks.
     
  13. Rockets_Truth

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    Does Yao still have time to weight train and work on his stamina for NBA calibur games if he has to go to China every single summer of his career to work with his NT? I only thought it was during the World Championships or Olympics every 4 years.
     
  14. mingonly

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    i bet gumby trades with his brother in miami:

    rockets- t.j. ford,brian grant(JVG loves strong pf's)

    miami-cuttino,griffin,moochie
     
  15. xiki

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    I think the Knicks want to move him, JVG wants him, and that a deal favorable to Rox could, and would (if JVG comes) occur.

    I am a 'Cat man', I think he is, or will be in a different system, an upper level 2 (not Top Level, upper). I think he will help land a better answer at the 4.
     
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    I'm a Cat hata, so I'm eager to see him shipped in a package for something else. I don't see Van Gundy changing Cuttino into a supporting cast player, or anyone else, for that matter. I'd think CD and Les and VG can see that, and will max his value now, before he looks any worse.
     
  17. Rodzilla

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    -The only legitimate trade would be getting a PG. Let me tell you Yao Ming/Griffin are going to kick some butt next season. Maurice Taylor is going to be a healthy player, and you will probably see him stepping up for his best years in the League.

    I feel the Rockets are OK at the PF Position, but they could use a Keon Clark and a Bobby Jackson, on there team, to get to that next level and compete with Portland,and La. If the rockets want to improve there roster, i Trade for Keon Clark,and Bobby Jackson.
    Which would be hard as hell to get them.

    Rockets have to Offer something Like this..

    Kelvin Cato, Maurice Taylor,Cuttino Mobley,Tito Maddox and
    2006,2007 Future First Round Draft Picks.

    For

    Keon Clark
    Bobby Jackson

    Rockets would look ok with signing Posey to MLE.

    PG- Bobby Jackson/Moochie Norris
    SG- Steve Francis/Rice/Hawkins
    SF-James Posey/Rice/Hawkins
    PF-Eddie Griffin/Keon Clark/Terrence Morris
    C- Yao Ming/Keon Clark
     
  18. Yetti

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    Sorry Rodzilla I can see your logic but a Trade that leaves us with Moochie, Rice and Hawkins as significant role players, is not what the fans want or are looking forward to.
     
  19. Rodzilla

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    I agree. Rockets would have to throw away alot to get the best 6th man on the Nba, and an Awesome Backup Center in Keon Clark.
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    That trade sux. I wouldn't trade just the players, let alone throw in 2 first round picks (you can't trade your first rounders in consecutive seasons, BTW). It also doesn't come close to working under the salary cap. Keon and Bobby combined make about the same as Taylor, then you throw in 3 contracts on top of it. :rolleyes:
     

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