Militants Overrun Mosul

He really isn't. Doesn't realize it though.

ATW quotes an opposition leader saying something from omg! the Economist so what the opposition leader says must be true!

It is startling that ATW thinks it does.

 

Seriously? Is there hard evidence of that? I'm surprised that Erdogan would be that stupid, and surprised that the military would let him. The power in Turkey that has stepped in at different times during their history when it appeared that the secular government was threatened has always been the military, as you know. Also, despite what glynch and some others might think, while I wouldn't agree with you that Erdogan is a dictator, yet, he's becoming more and more oppressive, and pushing an ever more religious agenda in traditionally secular Turkey. An agenda that has always been curbed in the past by that military. If this is really happening (supporting ISIL), and gets publicized in the EU, I don't see them getting closer to that Pan-European government anytime soon. That they are a key member of NATO makes the charge that much more disturbing.

(as an aside, is Erdogan going through with buying missiles from China? NATO was about to blow a gasket when that came out!)

I know that there are Gulf states, besides Saudi Arabia, secretly supporting extremists. They have for many years. Their oil has always bought their protection. Some day, those policies are going to bite them in the arse, hard.

 

Sorry, can't quickly find English language sources, but THE most left-wing newspaper in Germany (taz) is reporting it.

http://www.taz.de/!140405/

https://translate.google.com/transl...UTF-8&u=http://www.taz.de/!140405/&edit-text=

The relevant part of the article says:

Translation (mine, not Google's):

There is also something here:

http://acdemocracy.org/turkey-erdogan-and-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-iraq/

A recent photograph taken 16 April 2014, which appeared in Turkey’s Hurriyet Daily, shows an injured ISIL commander Abu Muhammad “allegedly receiving free treatment,” in Turkey’s Hatay State Hospital. It was reported that commander Muhammad was injured during fighting in Idlib, Syria.

Two lawmakers from Turkey’s opposition Republican People¹s Party had the temerity to accuse the government of both “protecting and cooperating with jihadist militants of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and the al-Nusra Front.” The Turkish government was quick to deny the claim.

The appearance of a wounded jihadist commander being treated in a Turkish hospital is a subtle reminder that Turkey is governed by a leading member of the Ikhwan al-Muslimun — the Muslim Brotherhood. It is also a reminder that when one scratches a Muslim Brother, a jihadist bleeds. While it is true that some Brothers, like Ikhwan ideologues Yusuf al-Qaradawi and Hasan al-Turabi, will take up the pen rather than take up arms in the movement to revive the Islamic Caliphate, both Ikhwan intellectual and soldier are equally determined. And so too are the Ikhwan’s politicians, people like Erdogan of Turkey, Ghannouchi of Tunisia and Morsi of Egypt, who are determined to re-create Islam’s Caliphate.

Members of the Ikhwan, from its founder Hasan al-Banna to Turkey’s Erdogan, have all been aware that terrorism can be a useful adjunct in the Islamistrevolution. It has been used more frequently in that epoch of Arab history that dates from the Muslim world’s rejection of Arab nationalism. Following the death of Nasser (Arab nationalism’s primary sponsor), in the nineteen-seventies a plethora of jihadist branches sprang from the Ikhwan tree. Uniformly, the organizations rejected the Ikhwan’s evolutionary philosophy that had been forced on it by Nasser and then by Egypt’s powerful military caste.

The Islamist movement came to a boil with the war in Afghanistan. It festered with the American presence in the first war in Iraq, and gained strength with the war in the Balkans. In that war, Muslim Brothers Sudan’s Hassan al-Turabi and Bosnia’s Izetbegovic, together with Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his mentor Islamist politician Necmettin Erbakan (1926-2011) had played a major role. In the early 1990s, Erbakan and Erdogan served as money launderers and arms purchasers in the Islamist-backed insurgency in Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania. Their activity can be seen as a starting point in what would be a continuing Islamist effort to infiltrate the Turkish polity and dominate its future. Egyptian Muslim Brother Yusuf al-Qaradawi, from his exile in Qatar, Tunisia’s Rashid Ghannouchi, from his exile in London, and the members of the Egyptian Ikhwan at home and in exile, also played part in the Balkan war, though less directly.

Erdogan eulogy of Erbakan, his political (and Ikhwan) mentor, showed he remained in the thrall of such predecessors as the internationalist al-Afghani, the Ikhwan al-Muslimun founder Hassan al-Banna, the Brotherhood’s terrorist ideologue Sayid Qutb and the Afghan-Arab and Palestinian Ikhwan Abdalla Azzam. Thus, the appearance of an Islamist mujahideen in a Turkish hospital surprised few Turks who had been following developments in the wake of the so-called Arab Spring.

The genesis of the Arab Spring is found in Tunisia where the previously outlawed Ennahda party — an Ikhwan al-Muslimun institution — came to power following the overthrow of an entrenched secular (and sclerotic) government. Immediately, the jailed jihadists were released. And the former Arab-Afghan mujahideen emerged from hiding. Ironically, the capture of Tunisia’s polity should have been easy were it not for the fact that neither Ghannouchi nor his Ennahda politicians and gunmen showed any leadership.

In Libya, its Muslim Brotherhood, founded in the mid-1950s, was already poised to attack its dictator Muammar Qaddafi. They had been badly bloodied in the late nineteen-nineties in a failed effort to depose the leader. Thousands were jailed or forced into exile. However, the events in Tunisia were a call to return home, where the Ikhwan had secured an important foothold in Cyrenaica. In 2006 Qaddafi for the first time since seizing power had sought a reconciliation with the Ikhwan (some said at U.S. insistance). And when the effort was underway to oust Qaddafi, Yusuf Qaradawi issued a fatwa that made it incumbent on all Libyan soldiers to
assassinate Qaddafi if they had the opportunity to do so. It is claimed
that today the Ikhwan is behind (and actually supports) the chaos that hinders the creation of a national government.

In Egypt the street protests of January 2011 eventually led to the downfall of President Hosni Mubarak. But not the Egyptian military, the Ikhwan’s bete noire! Still, under Morsi the Ikhwan moved swiftly to take power.

Once that was achieved they emptied the Egyptian jails of the hundreds of fellow jihadists, including convicts from Ayman al-Zawahiri’s Egypt Islamic Jihad and members of the Jamaat al-Islamiya who had rejected any peace agreement with the Egyptian government. They were the toughest of the tough. Intransigent Islamists took over operations in the Sinai in the expectation of bringing the jihad to Israel itself.

In Syria, the Arab Spring that sought to depose the Assad family and its Alawite allies may have started as a spontaneous uprising. Nonetheless, the movement was soon captured by the Islamist mujahideen, and they have been supported by powerful Ikhwan forces in Kuwait (whose banking system is controlled by Muslim Brothers) and Qatar (whose al-Thani family has allowed the Ikhwan ideologue Yusuf Qaradawi unfettered access to radio and television). The Syrian Ikhwan, led by Riad al-Shaqfa, keeps a low profile but it can count on Erdogan’s friendship. The Turkish leader allowed the Brother to hold a press conference in Istanbul where Shaqfa blasted Bashar al-Assad and the whole Assad family. The result was a heightening of tension between Syria and Turkey that has not been lessened to this day.

And in what is an ironic twist of fate, Erdogan, the man who played an essential part in running guns to the Muslims of Bosnia-Herzegovina during the Balkan wars, became an essential element in the movement of arms to the rebels in Syria. For the second time, the United States played into his hands, assisting in the shipment of arms from Benghazi to Syrian rebels through Turkish ports. Almost certainly, the arms would reach those rebels that the Ikhwan’s Erdogan found most favorable, even if they were the terrorist Islamist factions the United States opposed.

From the activity of U.S. embassies in Cairo, Tunis, Khartoum, Doha and Ankara, it seems that American policy makers are convinced that it is possible to do business with the Ikhwan al-Muslimun and Brothers like Erdogan. In country after country, they have had to learn the hard way that underneath any Brother’s outward disguise is an Islamist. Given recent events, it is a good idea to watch what the Ikhwan are up to in Baghdad.

In Iraq, an Ikhwan branch was founded in 1948 in the form of the Society for the Salvation of Palestine (Jamiyat Inqadh Filastin). Its membership was derived from Iraqis influenced by Brotherhood in Egypt. With the crackdown of 1958 and a coup led by Abd al-Karim Kassem, Ikhwan activity was quashed for the next half century. Nevertheless, the Ikhwan founded in 1960 the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP, or Hizb al-Islami al-Airaqi) after which it argued that political action was “a religious and national duty”. Its principles demanded individual rights for all citizens, national elections, a legal system based on shari’a, land reform, a women’s right to work, establishment of trade unions, and the protection of natural resources.

Although the Ikhwan sought a working relationship with Iraqi Shia, Sayyid Muhsin al-Hakim, the highest ranking Shia cleric, forbade cooperation with the Iraqi Islamic Party. The Sunni often attacked the Shia, calling them renegades (al-rafidha) or heretics (ahl al-bid’ah).

Following first Gulf War the Iraqi Islamic Party revived and began publication of its periodical, Dar al-Salam. The Iraqi Muslim Brotherhood was considered Iraq’s largest Sunni movement. Domestically, it emphasized education and Islamic outreach, and it rejected outright sectarianism and Western thought, including Marxism and nationalism. When Saddam Hussein embraced Islam following the end of first Gulf War, he opened new mosques and built the Saddam University that taught Sunni theology. He put “there is no god but God” on the Iraqi flag. And in months before the U.S. invasion in 2003 Saddam eased off the Ikhwan to win over Sunni Arabs, his core constituency.

In December 2004, the Iraqi Islamic Party reemerged, fielding 275 candidates for the 275 seat National Assembly charged with drafting a constitution. The Shiite element in Iraqi politics would eventually emerge much more powerful thanks to its population advantage. Still, the Ikhwan remains a powerful political element within the Sunni population. Should Iraq split into thirds (Kurdistan, a Shia division, and a Sunni division), the Iraqi Muslim Brotherhood would likely take power.

One wonders if the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has planned for that eventuality?

 

Here's a bit more:

http://www.dw.de/isis-onslaught-threatens-ankara/a-17702417

 

And here is more from a Lebanese news source:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mi...ecessary-for-iraq-hostages.ashx#axzz35VrVJl1K

You have to understand that Erdogan is ideologically a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the ideological source of Al Qaeda and ISIL. He is the ruler of Turkey, but first and foremost, he is a Sunni Islamist. That's his allegiance. He wants to fight Assad because Assad is not a Sunni.

Here is a great interview with a French intellectual who was accused by Erdogan of being part of a Zionist conspiracy that led to the demise of Morsi (much to Erdogan's disappointment).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/berna...to-the-turkish-prime-minister-_b_3819539.html

Erdogan wants the Islamic Caliphate.

 

lol, this guy.

 

John Kerry now emphasizing Kurdish involvement in the national government. Kurdistan is already doing oil deals with Turkey. However, some key claims for Kurds lie in Turkey.

US can't just actively call for the break up of Iraq - even if it seems to lead to more stable region. Any gains by Iran will be impallatble by Saudi Arabia.

 

The goal is still a multicultural democratic Iraq, it's the only shortcut to peaceful relations between differing groups in the Muslim world. When 'splintering' is the accepted state, there are no limits to the claims of self-determination, and the warfare that goes with it. It will come down to tribal claims that look like gang wars.

'Countries' should be a way to guarantee rights and equal privileges among differing groups including minority groups.

I don't think that's a real possibility but we owe it to the vets to uphold the idea, that's what they fought for.

Iraq inks deal to pave way for US return
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/210264-iraq-gives-us-military-advisers-immunity

The Obama administration secured two diplomatic concessions from Iraq’s government on Monday: an immunity deal for U.S. special operations forces and a commitment from Iraq’s prime minister to begin forming a new government.

 

This post shows you know absolutely nothing about Erdogan and Turkey. Literally nothing.

 

All your posts show that you have absolutely no life. Like literally none.

 

You remind me of the birther types in the US. The moderate Mr. Obama must be a socialist/nazi Kenyan/ Muslim.

In your Muslim obsession Ergodan is Al Qaeda.

Hey, the Bush family hobnobbed with the Saudis and members of the Bin Laden family. Does this make them the same as Bin Laden?

 

Ergodan is like a republican if al qaeda is the Tea Party. You may not agree with them exactly but if you don't tacitly support them you are going to face a fierce, organized active opposition. Fanatics don't compromise.

You can't tell the sides without a score card:

Kerry issues warning as officials say Syria bombed militant targets in Iraq
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...ay_syria_bombed_militant_targets_in_iraq.html

A senior Iraqi military official confirmed that Syrian warplanes bombed militants’ positions Tuesday in and near the border crossing in the town of Qaim. He said Iraq’s other neighbours — Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Turkey — were all bolstering flights just inside their airspace to monitor the situation.

 

I think that the Saudi hugging by the Bush family (and other American politicians) has been a mistake. It doesn't make them the same as Bin Laden, because their ideological roots are not the same as those of the Saudis.

Erdogan is not Al Qaeda. There is still an important difference between jailing dissidents and journalists and outright murdering civilians. But he has the same ideological roots, and he is closer to Al Qaeda ideologically than to a Western Democrat.

 

I think a lot of folks don't realize just how radical Erdogan is in the historical context of modern Turkey. More so than Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, in my humble opinion.

 

Iraq is Humpty Dumpty at this point. It's broken, and there's no putting it back together at this point.

Kurdistan is coming, and Turkey will support it - and so should we. The Kurds have been the only reliable allies we have in the area. They have given their blood for us, and we owe it to them to support their independence. And when they declare it it will be the death knell of the state formerly known as Iraq.

What's left of Iraq - the southern portion - will come under Iran's umbrella. The Sunnis will never take Baghdad - Sadr city alone has over a million shiites, a good number of whom are mobilizing right now.

The Sunni portion that ISIS is trying to consolidate will not be easy for them to rule. They will probably fail, actually. They are freaking ultra violent nutcases and they pi$$ off every population they try to govern; they will do the same here.

The entire region is headed for a sustained period of instability and war. We have only two reliable allies right now: Israel and the Kurds. Even the Kuwaitis - eternally grateful - could get swept up in this. All of the Emirates are in danger.

This is what it looks like when the US is disengaged from the region and takes a diplomatic tract. And if you think it's staying over there, you haven't been paying attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8nTy0bkNrM

 

If white people never got involved in the first place, it would be great.

The US is a colonial power continuing the exploitation of Iraq.

 

AroundTheWorld has become a parody of himself.

 

I dominate your emotions and control your thoughts...or something like that.