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[Woj] Houston plans to pursue Kevin Love

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Swishh, May 18, 2014.

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  1. DieHard Rocket

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    I think what it comes down to is first trying to dump Asik's salary to clear space for Melo, or if Melo decides he doesn't want to be here trading Asik for a future pick to entice Minnesota. Still seems like a real longshot.
     
  2. ArtV

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    Keeping it simple...

    Additionally
    76ers get our #25 and a 2nd
    Minny gets the 76ers #10 and a future 1st pick from us

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    Or if Minny wants a dump and a start on a youth movement rebuild...
    Minny gets our #24
    Philly gets a future 1st from us.

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    Howard
    Love
    Parsons
    Harden
    Beverly
    MLE
    Bi
    Martin
    there is your 8 man rotation. Give that lineup a few years to simmer...
     
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    I doubt Philly gives up the 10 to move down. And I think they tank another year for a pick. So they might take Lin but probably not Asik.
     
  4. tmacfor35

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    Minnesota is going to get fleeced in FA for Love. Ouch.
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    They'd still have 3 and 24. Asik is a solid, young C that would be hard to find at 10. I do agree that it would be a lot for Philly to give up though when you include Young.
     
  7. BigBenito

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    Turns 28 in a couple weeks. Not old, but wouldn't exactly call him young.
     
  8. tmacfor35

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    I think if you trade them Chandler, than you can get the deal done. Love has all the power right now. I think this team is soft if you add Love, but I guess we will see.
     
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    ok maybe not young but still hard to find someone that good at 10. You don't want all 22-24 year olds.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cleveland pushed on deal centered on No. 1 pick for Kevin Love, but his refusal to re-sign w/ Cavs has killed talks, sources tell Yahoo.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/481858225512665088">June 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Oh he is controlling his own destiny alright. I'm hoping where he wants to land is right here in Houston.

    1. Lebron 2. Love 3. Bosh 4. Melo should be our order of attack although it's more likely 1. Lebron 2. Melo 3. Bosh 4. Love
     
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    Bosh isn't going to opt in. Almost no doubt about that. Houston and Dallas will offer 4 year deals north of $80 million, so there is no reason for him to opt in from a financial perspective.

    The real question is how much of a paycut is he willing to accept? Let's assume Haslem opts in (which is a pretty safe bet, considering he'd likely only get the vet min on the open market).

    Salary Cap = $63.2
    Haslem + Cole = $6.6
    7 Roster Holds = $3.6
    Remaining Cap left for LeBron/Bosh/Wade/4th player = $53 million

    Now let's say the Heat can get Lowry or Gortat at $10 million a year (ignore the fact that their current teams can offer an extra year). That leaves $43 million for LeBron/Bosh/Wade.

    Scenario 1: Lebron refuses to take a paycut. Signs for $20 million.

    Wade and Bosh can only sign for $11.5 per year or a total contract of approximately $60million over 5 years. So instead of making $41 million over the next 2 years, they will make $60 million over 5. Or Bosh could sign for $80+ with Houston/Dallas over 4 years. That is a massive paycut for Bosh.

    Scenario 2: Wade signs a one year deal for $3 million, with the promise the Heat will sign him to a 4 year deal worth $70 million. Bosh and Lebron sign 5 year deals for $20 million.

    Massive risk for Wade. No guarantees. Potential to lose out on $38 million ($41 he's owed over next two seasons minus $3 million). No chance he does this.

    Scenario 3: All 3 plays sign equal $14 million deals (5 years, total of $75 million). LeBron and Bosh are giving up $6 million/year each.

    At the end of the day, I don't see any of these options as palatable. These are two healthy players worth the max in their prime being asked to give up $20-40 million. Wade is being asked to take a big paycut when there's a decent chance this is his last contract.
     
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    Love is going to be traded this offseason. There is no freaking way that Minnesota will even wait till that trade deadline where teams will know that he is leaving Minnesota.

    If he wants Houston, I think we will find out shortly.
     
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    If we could get love without losing Parsons - well then we should build a statue of Morey. I don't believe that's possible. An offer of Asik, Lin, young talent (Jones, Beverly, DMo) and picks should not be enough... but if it is, wow, we'd be scary.

    Of course the same goes for if we sign LeBron (best case), Melo or Bosh. But there is just something about Love that really intrigues me...
     
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    It's real simple. Lebron, Bosh, and Wade all opt out and play on 1-year deals for around $12 million. In Lebron's and Bosh's case, they essentially give up around $8 million but they most likely make up most of that over the following 5 seasons by re-signing super max deals after the cap goes up after this coming season. Wade makes up the $8 million he gives up by getting a fresh 3-year deal next summer for a little north of $45 million...2 seasons guaranteed at the max and a third season partially guaranteed.
     
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    What happened to your 1 year minimum deal theory?

    LOL
     
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    What if Wade continues his exponential descent after next season? Unless Miami is planning to break a lot of rules I don't think a 3 year $45 million dollar deal would be justified unless Wade averages 20/5/5 next season.
     
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    3/45 is a justified reward to a guy that has spent his career with a franchise, who basically single-handedly handed them a trophy while teaming up with an over-the-hill Shaq, who has fallen on the court a gazillion times and destroyed his knees for the franchise, and who will have TWICE taken a paycut to help the franchise build a winner, who is a hall-of-famer, and a lifetime HEAT...who is currently owed $41,819,000 over the next 2 seasons.

    Perhaps they make it a 2-year deal for $40 million. But it would be plenty justified. And the contract can be structured where it could be traded in the final season where Wade presumably retires.


    There is simply no way for the big 3 to stay together without something like this happening. Wade isn't simply going to walk away from almost $42 million. However he is loyal. And Riley is trust-worthy. If Wade tells Lebron he is willing to opt out and sign a one-year deal for $10 million if Riley will give him $40+ million back after this season and Lebron asks Riley if he will do that and Riley tells Lebron he will do that...then everything is copacetic.

    Those guys giving up $8-$10 million over the course of one season makes more sense than them giving up $25-30 million over the next 3-5 years.
     
  18. Rockets_12

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    If we could get Philly involved, we may not have to give up Parsons..
     
  19. LikeMike

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    Honest question: isn't the max money the can earn on their next deal dependet on the money that've got on their last deal? That's why LeBrons super max is lower than Melos super max. So when they take a paycut for 1 year, wouldn't they automatically limit their next deal?
     
  20. justtxyank

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    Theoretically. The max is set as a percentage of the salary cap each year. But you can also sign a deal that is a certain percentage higher than your last deal. So your next deal could be higher than the technical max.

    In Basketballhollics unlikely scenario, they may make up for the loss of the percentage increase over the previous deal portion by the fact that the cap raises enough that the normal max equates to about the same. Potentially.
     
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