Would you take 5, count'em 5, second rounders in this draft?

wow finally found someone crazier than hinkie

 

Our track record with second rounders, who get stashed, is not very good... Not sure who to blame for it though...

 

El-oh-el

 

that would be a great haul if we are trying to dump Lin+Asik salaries anyways...Most likely we would get 3 or so, rather than 5, since one of their picks is right at the beginning of the second round.

 

We've pulled multiple rotation players out of it, which is better than most teams do.

 

Recently? Lull, Aldemir, Leunen, and Newley are all that come to mind and none of them played for us. If you go a little further, you can include Flores and Badiane, who again, didn't play for us. Those last two were under Dawson though. Flores, IIRC, turned into Spanoulis, FWIW.

 

Budinger, Parsons. Okay, not so impressive when I type it out but it really is better than most teams who just spend their picks on hyper athletic dudes who will never figure out how to play basketball.

 

Flores got traded on draft night into Spanoulis. Aldemir helped us get Dwight Howard.

It is like saying Rudy Gay or Nicolas Batum were bad picks because they didn't play for us.

 

How is that comparable? Gay and Batum weren't even our picks, we picked them for someone else. The second rounders would and have been picked by Houston. Also, Spanoulis was a bust, so it's not like the Flores pick directly led to something good. Aldemir would be the only exception, which is my point. In the last 10 years, none of our 6 stashed second rounders ever played for us and only Aldemir has led to something good, so that makes our track record not very good..

 

The op is still trying to dump jones,huh? As if a 1st yr 22 yr old wont get better. 5 2nd rd picks is a shot in the dark. How many 2nd rd picks are starting for the spurs? Better yet, take the final 4 teams and see how many starters were drafted in the 2nd rd. By my count,1 and thats chalmers.

Thats not to say you cant find players in the 2nd rd. Parsons and manu were 2nd rd picks,but more than likely,those 2nd rd picks are bench players. Why give up a starter in jones for a bench player?

 

He got 2 2nd rounders and 2 stashes for a Robinson dump, and Robinson is and was ****. Jones is worth at least a mid first rounder, 2nd round picks aren't worth much at all, the guy put up solid numbers as a 22yo second year starter. On top of that, we have no use for the players that come out of it, we have no use for draft picks, even lottery picks other than moving them on for established assets, and 2nd round picks don't have that value, you can't flip 2nd rounders for decent value, you get salary dumps and s&ts.

 

Jury is still out on Llull and Aldemir. All signs point to Llull being a quality backup guard, his issue is coming over, not talent. Aldemir is pretty recent, he should be an OK backup center if and when he comes over. I wouldn't call those 2 misses as 2nd round picks.

Leunen and Newley were mid 50's picks. No one really expects them to pan out anyway.

 

i dont think we give up real talent like jones (who's on a cheap rookie contract anyway) for second rounders.

i also don't think it's a good idea to build a team around second rounders lol, but i do like the 4/yr second round contract that morey uses (see parsons). and with 3 superstars, you're right, having a large pool of second rounders is a good thing. i would say agree with you're overall assessment to an extent. its a bad idea to go "all in" for second rounders.

we won't be able to get as many second rounders as you think:

1) unloading lin will cost a future first plus $3M in cash to offset his price. that means we can't use that money to buy any second rounders. it may also cost us Dmo.

2) i do like the asik to phily for 2-3 second rounders idea. the rest of the league would be in an uproar in phily helped us get under the cap again to sign another superstar. also, take into account how deep this draft is. from 20-40 is pretty much the same talent level. so trading him for 2 high second rounders in the same as asking for 2 late first rounders. it won't happen. the two picks we get for him might be 39 and 47. forget about #32.

3) trading #25 for two second rounders won't be easy because of the depth as stated above. 20-40 is pretty much the same this year. #32 might be more valuable since its the same talent level on a better contract. we won't get good value for trading down, better to use it to help unload lin.

TLDR unloading lin will cost us almost every asset needed to get a second round pick. asik might only net us 2 second rounders, or 1 first rounder. so in the end that's all we will end up with. well, that and hopefully melo.

 

Son, I am disappoint. With your gm creativity all you you could come up with was five second round picks?

 

youkray

 

It's just a never-ending "dream world" of highly-unlikely transactions and a continuum of armchair GMs.

I can't wait for the season to begin.