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ESPN: James Harden, an Errant All NBA Selection

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 4, 2014.

  1. Ariza4MVP

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    I'd argue for Parker over curry. Team with the best record in the leagues best player has a much better argument than curry
     
  2. SC1211

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    I find it funny that all these Curry guys point to Harden's defense.
     
  3. tiger0330

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    Melo should be pissed. How does a guy avg 27ppg and 8rbs along with playing the most minutes not make any all NBA team. He deserved first team more than Harden.
     
  4. Aleron

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    Curry is surrounded by a better team than Harden is, Dwight being the only advantage we have at the other positions and it's not even close to Iggy, Lee, Thompson vs Jones, Parsons and Bev.
     
  5. MichaelG281713

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    Just typical ESPN hating on the a Rockets as usual.
     
  6. tehG l i d e

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    Pretty much butthurt his boy Curry didn't get 1st team.
     
  7. J.R.

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    Marshmallow is a forward, so he wouldn't take Harden's spot.

    Marshmallow is a forward, so he's battling with the likes of Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Paul George, LaMarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, Anthony Davis, Dirk Nowitzki, Serge Ibaka, Zach Randolph, Paul Millsap, Kawhi Leonard and many others.
     
  8. rolyat93

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    Hate on pimpin, we all spend our days differently.
     
  9. rhino17

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    Steve Nash was even worse than harden and won multiple Mvps

    Quit b****ing
     
  10. Rox11

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    Fair article, and very well points out all the bad things in his game, still don't think Currys better then him.

    Which scenario makes more sense...

    He made first team with all of these negatives next to his name (showing positivity moving forward (improvement))
    He made first team with all of these negatives which is sad that our first team man couldn't lead us anywhere or even change his game for playoffs, and that shows lack of competition for his position.

    If kobe and crew were not injured, where would he place?
     
  11. Patience

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    Who is "crew"? Kobe has been out for quite a while, and it is not clear whether he will ever be the same player again, so it is hard to say. We might as well start the argument "if Michael Jordan were still playing, where would James Harden place?"
     
  12. ksny15

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    Meh no name author don't care what he says
     
  13. Aleron

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    I'm surprised that a media darling like Curry was behind a media lepper like Harden
     
  14. fluors

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    Depending on your point of view, you could be right, but statistically, the Rockets and Warriors are pretty evenly matched. The Rockets scored more points in the 2013-2014 Regular Season (108.6 Off Rtg; pts scored per 100 possessions) than the GSW (OffRtg = 105.3). The Rockets also averaged 107.7 PPG (2nd only to the Spurs in the Western Conference at 107.9) during the regular season while GSW averaged 104.3 PPG. But GSW has better defenders, especially wing defenders, so they are the better defensive team, posting a DefRtg of 99.9 pts allowed per 100 possessions compared to the Rockets DefRtg of 103.1. But the result is a net differential OffRtg - DefRtg; e.g., pts scored - pts allowed is +5.5 for the Rockets and +5.4 for GSW. So statistically, there's really not that much between the two teams (as we saw in the playoffs). But based on statistics, Curry is surrounded by better defenders while James is surrounded by better scorers.
     
  15. daywalker02

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    In the preseason they showed how much more athletic James has become

    Half of the season he was ISOeying, rarely dunking, tweaking ankles left and right

    I have no problem with him being selected first or second team but his effort level on Defense and Offense in the last 50 seconds (there are more clutch players)
    should not be taken lightly.
     
  16. Aleron

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    Take Harden and Curry out of the equation, name the 4 other starters of each team in quality of offensive player and see where you end up. Yes we're a better offensive team, no it's not because of the players around them.
     
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    I hate the article but somehow, he speaks some truth and truth hurts. I'm just wondering how good Rockets would have been if they're not using Bev to cover Harden's weakness. I still believe Bev's being starter is more of Harden being Harden than Bev being Bev.
     
  18. Carl Herrera

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    He was not worse than Harden.
     
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    Yup. But he's the "motor" of those teams and at least Nash plays team defense (or at least he's trying to defend). It's just that he's bad at individual defense. Unlike Harden, you can't take out Nash from those teams and expect the team to win. Meanwhile, as some games have proven, you can take Harden out and Rockets still have a chance to win.
     
  20. Aleron

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    What does whether you think they're trying to defend or not matter? Opinion of effort is purely subjective. It's like saying a player tries on offense and misses all his shots is better than a player that doesn't look like he's trying and misses all his shots. To quota Yoda, Do or do not, there is no try. Awards, results, they don't reward effort, they reward production, if Clark Kent was on your team, and he could put in basically no effort whatsoever, he'd still be the best defender in history by miles. If being bad and being lazy lead to the same outcome, then as far as value goes in a results driven environment, they're the same.

    If you wanted to say that it's different where a the player seeks to improve himself, no doubt there, but that's not the same topic.
     
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