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American POW freed in prisoner swap. And the GOP doesn't like it.....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, May 31, 2014.

  1. bobmarley

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jaketapper">@jaketapper</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AC360">@AC360</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ron_fournier">@ron_fournier</a> Pentagon knew Bergdahls whereabouts but didnt risk rescue for deserter <a href="http://t.co/53FSeSb0Vi">http://t.co/53FSeSb0Vi</a></p>&mdash; Melanie (@mrussRSF) <a href="https://twitter.com/mrussRSF/statuses/473672090541756416">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/GayPatriot">@GayPatriot</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ron_fournier">@ron_fournier</a> AP Also reporting that Pentagon concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away from his unit <a href="http://t.co/y0yUHoM0fw">http://t.co/y0yUHoM0fw</a></p>&mdash; Melanie (@mrussRSF) <a href="https://twitter.com/mrussRSF/statuses/473615410437160960">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.RT <a href="https://twitter.com/jaketapper">@jaketapper</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/scgoodgy23">@scgoodgy23</a> ive been calling around. not one defending him. ppl who were once his friends.</p>&mdash; DanRiehl (@DanRiehl) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanRiehl/statuses/473605697536798720">June 2, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    How Bad Is The Deal Obama Reached To Free Bergdahl? So Bad Even Chris Matthews Is Questioning It…

    Via Daily Caller:http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/02/msnbcs-chris-matthews-deeply-skeptical-of-taliban-prisoner-swap/

    MSBNC host Chris Matthews became the first on his network to express the slightest bit of skepticism over the Obama administration’s deal to trade Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl for five high-ranking Taliban officials from Guantanamo Bay, with Matthews repeatedly questioning the wisdom of trading an “AWOL” and possibly treasonous soldier for terrorist mass murderers.

    Matthews opened his program Monday with a deeply suspicious look into Bergdahl’s statements and actions before he went inexplicably missing from his post in the summer of 2009.

    In particular, the MSNBC host highlighted portions of a piece by late Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings, which revealed that Bergdahl repeatedly disparaged the U.S. military, said he was “ashamed to be an American” and talked of simply “walk[ing] off into the mountains of Pakistan.”

    He also singled out as “cryptic” a statement by Bergdahl’s father claiming he was “proud of how much you wanted to help the Afghan people, and what [Bergdahl] was willing to do to go to that length.”

    “Do you have any idea what he meant there?” Matthews asked The Daily Beast’s Kim Dozier. “Did he mean sort of leaving his post, leaving his rifle and uniform behind, heading off in the direction of Pakistan, being picked up by the Taliban? What did he mean ‘helping the Afghan people’ and that process? I don’t quite get that.”
     
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    So... Perhaps we should be asking why it took the Army until 2010 to conclude this?

    I got out in 2008. This happened after I got out, and I admit I haven't followed it. But I have kept in touch with people still in, and when his release was announced there was an explosion within the military community. Most of the military is very angry about this swap. There are way too many credible reports of what happened to dismiss.

    I just find it mind boggling that the Admin didn't see this coming. Can they really be this incompetent?!?
     
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    They saw it coming for sure...

    Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad to the larger group that made up the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored.

    "I don't think I could have continued to go on without being able to share with you and the people the true things that happened in this situation," Korder said Monday. "Because if you guys aren't made aware of it, it will just go on, and he'll be a hero, and nobody will be able to know the truth."

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/
     
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    so many things don't seem to add up on this story. If the CIA had a huge intelligence file on him, and pretty much knew he was a deserter, then why did Obama ok the swap, and only after all this time? He must have had other options, sending in a rescue team (risking more lives however)? If it really is as it seems in the news reports, then it's a very poor decision by the Obama administration, but I reckon there must be more to this than meets the eye.
     
  8. treeman

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    You likely reckon wrong. This one is getting really hard to spin as a wise executive decision.
     
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    In fairness there is a possibility, although incredibly slight, that this kid was an intelligence asset and that the whole thing was an op. That's about the only possible scenario that I can think of where this wasn't a blunder though.
     
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    So was he an op before he went AWOL, and the Army had 6 men died trying to find him. If that's the case; the administration should be guilty of murder.
     
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    Hence why I said 'more to this than meets the eye'. Obama is a lot of things, good politician, great speaker, cautious in foreign affairs, promises a great deal but still largely delivers upon them. He is not an idiot. It's not like there was political pressure to release him (the public/media didn't know who he was before he got released), so there must be something else that triggered this trade. As with most thing military, I suppose we won't know the 100% truth for a long long time.
     
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    I think the five released prisoners are highly trained body double ninjas who will be used to infiltrate and destroy. They spend years learning about these guys and copying their mannerisms and are now ready to go back into Taliban leadership - get spread across the network and accumulate power. Then one night Obama will go on TV and shout, "dragonzord power!" And they will activate and unleash ass kicking.

    Otherwise, this whole thing will continue to suck.
     
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    When a few better Americans die in the effort to bring him home? I don't think so. If it were a matter of just letting him on the plane or not, okay, let him on the plane and then try him for his alleged crimes
     
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    Traitor, let him burn in Jihad hell
     
  15. treeman

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    Uh... OK. After all this time you still really believe that? :confused:

    Is anybody talking about Eric Shinseki today, or the VA scandal? Funny timing here, suddenly Bowe Bergdahl's health - after 5 years in captivity - takes such a sudden turn that we have to move with such a crappy deal so fast that Congress can't be informed in a timely fashion, and his dad just coincidentally happens to be in D.C. for a totally unrelated reason, that we just HAVE to do this today, this weekend, now, and you'd better stop talking about the VA scandal because Obama cares so much about the Vets he's trade his own would-be son for one...

    :rolleyes:

    Seriously? There are really still people out there who believe this crap?
     
  16. Mathloom

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    Sweet deal. Rather than trade for a soldier, you traded for someone who learned a valuable lesson: you don't go across the world killing people in order to make peace.

    That's easily worth releasing 5 taliban maniacs back into a country where they pose no risk to (1) Americans in America and (2) Americans not stealing other people's sovereignty abroad.

    Besides, those 5 maniacs can just as easily be helping you guys out as spies. 5 spies is better than 1, right?

    Good deal.
     
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    Illuminati. Strings are being pulled all the time. 9-11, sandy hook crisis actors, etcetc.
     
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    3-5 years from now when we are out of Afghanistan, what would the Taliban be doing? Busy fighting and crawling their way back to power? Has a peace agreement with the Afghanistan elected government? Do we care? We didn't until OSB was hosted by them. Heck, we might even be a strategic military partner with them - it happens with the like of them before. (Consider that we can't get rid of them and our other option to keep a close eye on them is a large US force independently in the region - fk that).

    Why is Gitmo needed still? Empty it out. No more capture. Drone kill list much more effective. Might as well.
     
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    he totally got the last laugh with benghazi.
     
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    Whether he deserted or didn't desert means little as far as what's happened. Deserter or no deserter, you don't leave a man behind. He was an American, and they got him released.

    That's a good thing. Now, let the proper U.S. authorities decide if he's a deserter or not, and either have him face responsibility for his actions if he is a deserter, or apologize to him for slandering his name if he's not. Either way that's a bridge we haven't come to yet.

    What's happened so far is that an American was released from the Taliban.
     
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