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Harden or Paul George?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SidDaKid, May 12, 2013.

  1. Postcall

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    Yeah I think feelings have changed since the postseason but no question on who had the better regular season. Most people from other fan bases watched the Houston Portland series and a lot of people are low on Harden at this point I although they are not exactly high on PG either. Thank you for replying.
     
  2. Aleron

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    Man, the number of times i've seen the triple team come with a guy wide open in the corner and dwight just throw some crap into the defenders hand that I'm not even willing to call a shot...
     
  3. YaoMing#1

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    He had a terrible series overall besides game 6 and the end of game 5. With that said the people that our questioning a 24 yr olds talent off of 4 bad playoff games our just plain idiotic IMO. This guy was top 5 in MVP for a reason. He carried the rockets by himself after all star break with Dwight being limited with his ankle injury. The numbers speak for themselves ( 25 ppg 4.7 rebounds 6.1 assists 61% ts) while being top 5 in scoring, MVP voting and win shares. Once again like I have said many times the only other players doing all this is lebron and KD.

    Frankly I can't believe anyone would rate Paul George better than harden. At least give harden some respect and rate him against elite players like melo, love or steph curry. At least those guys are clear all nba players And better yet real number one options on there own team. Paul George isn't a number one option and he shouldn't be compared to one. If his pacers we're in the west he wouldn't be seen as a superstar and his Indy squad would have been beat 4-1 by any of the 8 western conference playoff teams.

    Paul George is the most overrated player in the entire nba. Why he keeps getting compared to top 10 players in the nba is beyond me. Espn brainwashed ppl into thinking Paul George was something he wasn't because he had a few good games against the heat and they needed someone to be lebron and the heats rival in the east. The reality is the pacers our what they our. A tough team that plays hard but ultimately lacks the top end star talent to win and be serious contenders.

    Lance Stevenson has a bigger responsibility for the pacers offense. It runs through him majority of the game. So how is Paul George a top 10 player and getting compared to real MVP caliber players like harden, love and curry? When he's not even the guy his team plays through.

    He's a nice young player but his potential and ceiling is not very high. You can't teach him to have a better feel for the game. That's all natural god given talent and few have it. Harden has it that's why I don't get the ppl that want to get rid of him at 24 with all hes accomplished in 2 yrs. the rocket have a bonfide young superstar to build around for the next 6-8 yrs. you can't teach the things harden does on offense players like him our rare. He's a true number one offensive option on a contender we just need him to focus on defense and being a better leader but as Rockets fans we have to give him the time to gel into his role as the lead guy. Look at the list of players who have accomplished what harden has so far at his age. There all hof players and they figured it out. So why would g harden? History said he will but for some reason clutchfans just don't want to realize what a good thing we have going for us with This bearded guy named James Harden.
     
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  4. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    GTFO troll. No one wants your likes here.
     
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  6. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Here's the problem: you don't seem to recognize the existence of defense, and Paul George is just so much better defensively than James Harden. That, at least, narrows the gap. Plus there are plenty of things to consider outside of offense and defense, such as bball iq, team play, off season attitude, practice attitude, quality of teammates/coach, locker room presence, experience, etc.

    Your analysis just seems very narrow, and given that line of thinking I'm not surprised you are in shock that people consider Paul George a top player. You are basing the comparison on offense and some mythical divine feel for the game.

    I'd rather have James Harden than Paul George, but it's not an easy decision.
     
  7. aelliott

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    Not to mention that it was Stevenson that got the defensive assignment on Lebron, not George. George primarily guarded Wade and didn't shut him down either.
     
  8. Houstunna

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    Classic blame the messenger response.. lol.
    When I call out Harden's piss poor defense, how do you feel?

    Debate me anytime on Astros, Rockets, Oilers, and Texans history and I'll show you who's the troll.
     
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  9. SamFisher

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    Yup. That's pretty much the book on George. Nobody actually believes that George is better than Harden other than the general internet "our best player sux" contrarianism that's endemic. And Carl Herrera's troll alter ego, Carl Herrera.

    It's truly not even close - an elite offensive creator like Harden or a jump shooter like George who doesn't drive or pass - you take Harden and then hope you can grab a complementary player like George (or a cheap D and 3's guys) later.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Like I just beat up a masochist.

    I won, but did I?
     
  11. Houstunna

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    Great how that awesome offensive creation worked out his last 2 postseasons.
     
  12. napalm06

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    We got ourselves a live one over here.
     
  13. J Sizzle

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    Trollstunna back at it again!
     
  14. dobro1229

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    First of all we all have the internet. You aren't special just because you know Mike Scott's career ERA. We've seen way too many people come and go here with Houston sports knowledge power trips. Its not that special.

    Second of all... You've outed yourself as a bias troll unwilling to have a two way conversation about Harden or anything else. Give me one good reason why I or any other poster on here should give you 2 click on the keyboard?
     
  15. Tdugs710

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    I look at it this way. Defense can be learned, but offense skill cannot. You can shoot your jump shot 1000 times a day and get better at it. However, everyone who has ever shot a basketball knows that there is a certain "feel" with a shot that never really changes. George is a good two-way player, but his offensive ceiling is limited. Harden already has incredible and elite scoring skills, and with more effort put into learning defensive sets and rotations along with his good size, he could become a good defender. Basically, scoring buckets is what it's all about, and that is simply why Harden is more valuable in the long run.
     
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    I guess I'll put my 2 cents on this topic.

    If I was a GM I would pick Harden 9 out of 10 times over George. The 1 time I would pick George would depend on the team makeup. If I already have an elite scorer (Melo, Durant) with another two guys that can also score, then I would want to add that defensive guy like George who won't be called upon to score that often as he is now. He is a two way player, but he doesn't have the offensive prowess like Harden.
     
  17. GoRox2013

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    Both have flaws. But George scores AND plays defense. Harden scores



    Paul George>James Harden
     
  18. jbasket

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    What? Where did you get that from?
     
  19. mario_v

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    Draft/sign offense, teach defense.
     
  20. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    Other than the Beverley/Lucas argument, when have I been biased? I've made threads in this forum that propped Harden, Olajuwon, and the Rockets team in general. I post in the Texans and Astros forum. I'm currently defending H-Town to the fullest in 2 threads in the Dish against posters you probably respect who are cheering for SA. To consider me a troll is mere hatred. Classic blame the messenger.



    Guess what? Harden's defense still sucks a fat one and his almighty offense is showing major flaws in the playoffs. Not just this year's postseason, but he was subpar last year as well. Go ahead and blame me.
     

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