1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

is this whole thing (unis, coaches, etc.) an orchestrated plan?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by verse, Jun 2, 2003.

  1. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    ask the casual houston fan who they'd prefer and i bet they'd say "don nelson".

    nelson's associated with the high octane, winning mavs. he's associated with "fun ball".

    JVG is associated with pattern balding, alonzo mourning's calf, height deficiencies, tnt broadcasts, and an ugly, ugly new york knick team back in the day when the rockets were actually good...which, for most people, seems like an eternity ago.

    i think you're mistaken on what the "average fan" would prefer, and make no mistake: les is concerns with filling those new arena seats! he'll take "style" over "substance" if the two are reasonably comparable.
     
  2. Gummi Clutch

    Gummi Clutch Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2002
    Messages:
    3,171
    Likes Received:
    27
    I dont really want to give up just yet.
    I am hurt because my #1 (LB) and #2 (Silas) are gone.

    But I remeber that CD said he was SHOCKED by the amount of intrest in this job.

    Maybe just Maybe, CDs voice mail holds a canidate that will shock the world!?!?

    That is the only thing that can restore my faith to 100% at this point.
     
  3. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    and why has no one addressed the question of "why our unis haven't been unveiled (or even scheduled for such)"? does anyone doubt that it'll coincide with the presentation of our new coach (whomever that may be)?
     
  4. rocketfan83

    rocketfan83 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    3,520
    Likes Received:
    31
    I hope your wrong about Nelson. But it wouldnt surprise me if both the new uni's and new coach were revealed at the same time. I want no part of nelson. Defense always prevails in the playoffs. Nelson is a terrible defensive mind. Maybe fans will come and see this run and gun style. But keep in mind that as long as they win they will also fill the arena regardless of whos the coach.
    Winning cures everything. If they win people will forgive Les for Rudy T and they wont even remember the LB fiasco. JVG or Dunleavy will be the next coach all reports seem to indicate this.
     
  5. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    15,787
    Likes Received:
    19,908
    Where i see the fault in the criticism of Verses well thought out and enjoyable conspiracy theory is he doesn't have to be EXACTLY right and I sincerely doubt he believes this is 100% on the dot. Alot of it makes sense. Some of it may be right. I could definitely see unveiling the new coach and the new uniforms at the same event. Maybe he's wrong about the coach or maybe he's wrong about the details corresponding, but regardless, it's well thought out and I tell you, i'd rather read about this then another thread whining about how bad the rockets are screwing up. this at least gives me some hope.

    maybe there are other coaches who aren't available yet who may be? i can't think of any off the top of my head though? but it's entirely possible they're pursuing a coach who isn't technically available isn't it?
     
  6. TheFreak

    TheFreak Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 1999
    Messages:
    18,303
    Likes Received:
    3,310
    Sort of, that the players make the coach.
     
  7. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601

    jmwilliamson,

    thanks. and you're right in that i don't necessarily believe it has to be don nelson/donnie nelson. it could very well be byron scott. or phil jackson. or whomever. but i DO NOT believe it's JVG or MD. either of those clowns could have been hired by now. it's someone else that is not currently "available".

    just think, no one on this bbs new that after this season, rick carlisle would be fired. but he was. same for larry brown resigning.

    at this point, the damn playoffs aren't even over with, yet. so there is PLENTY of time for coaches to be fired/resign. the way the rockets have conducted this whole process leads me to believe that they already have their target in sight and are waiting for the opportunity to grab him.

    TheFreak:

    if that's the case, if the players make the coach, you could coach an nba team, right? maybe i'm reading it the wrong way, but it sounds like you're saying that nba coaches are nothing more than figureheads and that the players are all that really matters. that's patently false.

    players do make the coach....insofar as the way he designs his system. but they don't make him competent v incompetent.


    rocketfan83:

    i can respect your nelsonphobia ;) .

    isn't it funny how nobody considered pat riley a defensive coach when he was coaching "showtime"....

    i wouldn't sell nelson quite so short. it was nelson who harped on dirk nowitski to work on his rebounding. and it was nelson who is continuing to harp on nowitski to put more effort in on defense.

    don v donnie....whatever. doesn't make a HUGE difference to me (though i'd take donnie if i could pick). point being, the rockets, imo, already have a man mapped out....

    if not...we're in deep, deep doo doo.
     
  8. stra

    stra Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think the reason we haven't chosen MD or Van Gundy is that we are indeed waiting for other candidates but I am sadly not sure that CD and Les have a grand plan ready and are waiting for anyone specific like The Nelsons, but it would be sweet if they came up with the sudden surprise.

    I have read a lot of articles and interviews about the coaching situation and strangely enough it seems as if we (CD & Les) were not overly interested in Brown, but in the same time they are not exactly praising MD and Van Gundy wildly either. Carlisle for some reason isn't what we want either.

    I surdenly don't get the impression that we desperately want either MD or Van Gundy, because as Verse wrote then we would have signed them up by now.

    So all that I get from all this is that either we will sign MD and Van Gundy because there is no good alternatives or a plan B or else we wait a little while hoping some name come up. But damn that is some risky strategy.
     
  9. Yetti

    Yetti Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    9,589
    Likes Received:
    529
    Why would we want Don Nelson as the Rockets Coach??? He is a decent coach but with personal problems. He isnt the one to come in and fix the Rockets, it going to take a lot of effort and long hours, he has become used to the easy life with a team of stars.
     
  10. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    :confused:

    #1, personal problems like what? are you just guessing or is there something tangible here?

    #2, how do you know if he's "used to the easy life with a team of stars"?

    #3, so if phil jackson became available, you'd dismiss him too, right?
    :rolleyes:

    #4, didn't nelson build the mavs with a "lot of effort and long hours"?

    :rolleyes: :confused:


    Yetti, usually you're at least halfway rational with your posts. this was not one of your shinier moments.
     
  11. carlos

    carlos Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 1999
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    81
    Verse,

    Normally I pass over the conspiracy posts but.....

    What about if the target the whole time has been Phil Jackson? Regardless of what you may think of him, his record of 6(?)championships will put butts in the seats. Much more so than Larry Brown.

    But that is putting all of your eggs in one basket!.... well not if your plan B is Donnie Nelson. There are many ways the Rockets could postively spin that hire (youth, Son of Sr. , experience with Mavs yadda yadda). Either of those hires would generate as much, or more interest, than Dunleavy or JVG.
     
  12. OUTITAN

    OUTITAN Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2003
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    1
    I'm not ready to give Jackson a place in the heavans but that would be sweet. Its not going to happen but it would be sweet. LA has a very good shot at just reloading and stepping right back up to the plate and he's not going to pass that up. PJ would definately squash all this rabble about LB.

    I don't know about Donnie Nelson. I just don't see that happening either. It would be interesting to hear the spin though.
     
  13. carlos

    carlos Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 1999
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    81
    OUTITAN,

    Personally I am very tired of PJ, all that Zen master stuff gets on my nerves but I think there is pressure to sell tickets and PJ would do that.
     
  14. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    just remember one thing guys:


    most news bits, by the time they hit the media, are very, very, old and have been spun around countless times.
     
  15. OUTITAN

    OUTITAN Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2003
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    1
    Don't get me wrong. I think he gets too much credit for the Bulls and the Lakers success. MJ won those rings, plain and simple. I think he picked the Lakers because he knew they were primed to win. A smart move on his part but by no means making him the architect of it all.

    I do however like the way he calls a game. Let the guys screw up, make them aware of how they blew it and let them think about it. He lets them play their way out of trouble, showing trust in his players. His players respond to him, they clearly respect him and listen to him. His handling of the Shaq/Kobe rivalry was also well done. I think he could do a lot for the Rockets as a team and a business.
     
  16. xcharged

    xcharged Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2001
    Messages:
    1,189
    Likes Received:
    9
    Jackon's amex commercial is pretty funny..anyone else see it?

    In other news..
    Don Nelson was offered a 4 year extension from the Mav's.

    (sporting news radio)
     
    #36 xcharged, Jun 3, 2003
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2003
  17. SLA

    SLA Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    3,021
    Likes Received:
    0
    PAT RILEY!
     
  18. Jeff

    Jeff Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    22,412
    Likes Received:
    362
    verse: Trust me. The Rockets are not nearly that organized.
     
  19. xcharged

    xcharged Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2001
    Messages:
    1,189
    Likes Received:
    9
    Anyone remember how much Les bought the Rockets for?
     
  20. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601

    :(


    my god. what has happened to our organization?

    :(
     

Share This Page