Given today's news, will Yao and Francis be with this team in 3 years???.........

This is it right here. If Brown would have chosen us if we had coughed up more cash then it is because the money was better and not becasue he really wanted to be here. He's a mercenary.

 

Deuce Rings, I think you are the sucker, and if you dont like this team why dont you go be a Spur's fan, or better yet, a Mav's. I doubt this team or the league care if you boycott their products, No sir, you are the sucker and I might add that you just may be a "troll"

 

Francis is locked up. Most of us are thrilled about that.
Yao has been here for less than a calandar year.
Lets not get to far ahead of ourselves.

 

ok, Well how is this? I hate Moochie Norris more than any human could hate another without actually killing him. Kato, Isnt worth the Max he recived. and Taylor is as talented a scorer that we have had at the Power position in years, yet his defense is highly suspect. ok? Now for the " guts and glory" part right? You see I see a sucker as someone who watchs on the news that a Airplane went down in Ohio and 36 people died, tragic right? Well, what about 200 who lived, they are never mentioned.

You can harp on 3 bad moves (and I know your next argument will be, there are more than 3 bad moves) or you can be happy that we have a great Center ( there may be 3 of those left in the league) and an awesome point guard (the best not named Jason Kidd) We also have Mobley who can score with the best of them and has turned into a pretty fair defense player as well (wasnt he taken in the second round?)

SO, please before you kill the organization, EVERYthing that they have done hasnt been bad.

Also, if you REALLY want to have your team coached by Larry Brown, you must know where Detroit is?

 

every franchise has that problem...it's called the salary cap, and it's not self-imposed as it is in baseball.

 

Duece, I think by saying we will not spend money in the future based on this one decision is a little near sided. You previously stated we can't look into the past to see that Les has been willing to make the bold decision and spend the money to try and build a winner, yet you are basing your argument on one occasion that to me is a done deal and already in the past.

 

Yes. I'll wager you that both of them will be with the Rockets longer than LB is with Detroit.

 

i think so.. coz all the coaches love a great guard/center tandem.. and i think steve and yao secures their places in this team for a long time to come. steve is beginning to pass more and be more of a pg than an sg. yao is the second most dominant center in the league next to shaq in his rookie season, yao has become the man here in houston. i think they gon be here for a long-ass time.

 

Yes we'll keep both.

Part of the reason Les doesn't wanna spend 6-8 million a year on a coach is because he's already giving that much to Rudy T. Hey Les, if you knew that going into this situation, perhaps you should have considered keeping Rudy T as your head coach 1 more year?!?

 

Dumb Deuce- Oh boy... where do I begin. How about the Rox did not FIRE Rudy!! Rudy R-E-S-I-G-N-E-D!!!!! How could they of possible prepared for that?? And even if they did know... they could not have foreseen the firing of Rick Carlisle and the Detroit Pistons entrance into the Larry Brown sweepstakes. Oh yeah... lets not forget the simple fact that Larry Brown had not even resigned yet when Rudy had stepped down (Get yout timeline right buddy!).

Now after all that being brought to your attention lets look at the candidates. Why pay Brown all that money when he has no more credentials than JVG or Dunleavy. They have all been to the Finals and lost. They are all "proven ex-coaches". I think your just feeding in to the media HYPE of Larry Brown. Our management knows exactly what it's doing. And when we choose from JVG or Dunleavy we will have just as much experience on the bench as Larry "No Championships" Brown.

BTW... just in case you forgot.... Rudy R-E-S-I-G-N-E-D!!!

 

Holding breath for tirade to follow...

 

Guys,

Before everyone bashes Deuce, I would like to say that although I feel the correlation that he used was a bit extreme (no $ for coach means no $ for Yao and Steve), the fundamental principle may have some merits.

The way management handled this entire process (fire Rudy, plan to hire BIG NAME COACH, and end up where we are) does cause some concern. Mainly, do these guys really know what they are doing?? To be fair however, mistakes do happen.

Assuming that Clutch is right and $ was a factor, I think management bite the big one here. Afterall, it seemed clear that managements intention was to get a big name coach (Les said this publically). I do not consider the likes of Dunleavy, Carlisle nor Van Gundy big name coaches.

$25 million for 5 years (plus incentives) was not inconceivable. Afterall, people were saying Van Gundy was looking @ $7 mill a year. Thus, management should have had a pretty good idea at the costs of hiring a top coach. What were they prepared to offer?

Many of you also made valid points that the reason why we cant offer more is because of Rudy's contract. This is very possible.. But dont you think management should have taken this to account before firing the guy?

In conclusion, whether if not getting Brown will result to not keeping Yao or Steve is way too premature to speculate. It is clear to me that our management is not the sharpest ginsu's in the drawer and that there is no telling what future mistakes they will make. With that said, it is definitely conceivable that either Steve or Yao will not be here in the future.

 

I think Clutch said that the thing about Rudy leaked prematurely so that Rudy had the upper hand in the money thing. Management didn't know that's the case when they started talking to Rudy about his "stepping down." If they are stupid, they are stupid in letting people like Doc Rockets and Clutch peek into the organization. j/k Clutch, don't ban me!

 

So after you called me out and said I had no guts for not explaining my self, then you dont even reply? Hmm, now I wonder who has the gut problem?

 

None whatsover!

RUDY WAS NOT FIRED!!

Larry Brown 1 Finals appearance
Mike Dunleavy 1 Finals appearance
Jeff Van Gundy 1 Finals appearance
Rick Carlisle 0 Finals appearance

Carlisle is nobody, but the other three are in the same tier.

He said? She said? Van Gundy never said anything about 7 million! Not even your beloved Brown got that amount.

I guarantee management has a much better grasp than you as to what it is going to take to get a top coach. But again they were not expecting to be looking for a coach. Rudy left us in this predicament, and rightfully so.

And it's also concievable that Shaq and Kobe will not be in LA in the future! What is your point???

Deuce-

This Hikanoo kid is dumber than you are. You make a formidable duo. Once again I feel compelled to REPEAT to you both that RUDY WAS NOT FIRED!!! Read my last post and study the timeline together and I will test you on it later.

Good Luck

 

I think you are reaching and way off base. Les is not going to pay more than he has to but he has already told CD that he can spend as much as he wants as long as he does not put the Rockets into the Luxery Tax.

Case closed.