Which player has more draft pick trade value, Daniels or Beverley?

Beverley's been getting some recognition for his defense this season. Daniels just barely came out of the NBDL and has no value. Maybe he'll be legit later, but right now he's the equivalent of any non-NBA talent any team could pick up in the Home Depot parking lot.

 

Bev- very late first
Daniels- mid second

 

daniels is in the final year of his deal, no point trading for him.

interestingly i know its a long shot but if daniels kills this year and just goes on a tear, then an opposition team can poison pill his deal next offseason, however i dont see this being a problem, more looking at gary neal money worst case at the 3 million range

 

Daniels has shown up about 2-3 games in the playoffs. Beverley has been our incumbent starter for most of the season.

Just by virtue of exposure, Bev will have more value.

 

A couple of years ago San Antonio got the #15 pick (K. Leonard) for George Hill.

I think Beverley is in that range as a PG. Not sure Beverley could nab #15 in THIS draft, but I think that is a fair comparison.

 

no he signed a 2 year deal, cov and daniels have the longer deals



i imagine we pick up his team option unless something happens with a superstar coming here and the salary req is needed

 

The poison pill isn't really that effective unless the players current team is way over the luxury threshold and are repeat offenders. That was the case with NY and Chicago but likely wouldn't be true for Houston.

Lin would have cost the Knicks something like $35M in luxury tax penalties in year 3 of his deal. That's the reason the Knicks didn't match, not the $8.3M average annual salary or the final year balloon payment.

If Daniels were to have a really good year then another team could offer a similar deal but the ramifications for the Rockets wouldn't be close to what it would have been for Chi or NY.

Assuming the the Rockets felt Daniels was worth a deal in the $8M range then the balloon payment in the final year wouldn't be a deal breaker as you'd be getting him for around $5M in each of the first two years of the deal.

After next season the Rockets likely won't be over the luxury tax threshold and even if they were they certainly wouldn't be repeat offenders so they wouldn't be subject to the tax multipliers that NY and Chi were facing.

 

good write up breh, i was just throwing it out their, who knows we may be in lux tax territory in 12 months time

 

still not sold as bima told me differently , because i was talking to bima about it a while ago

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/dewah07">@dewah07</a> In 2015, yes. He'd be subject to the Arenas Rule. And yes, it's way too early to think about that.</p>&mdash; David Weiner (@BimaThug) <a href="https://twitter.com/BimaThug/statuses/460133906470039552">April 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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also just looked at the shamsports link and it says its 2 years. the 3rd year is what our qual offer would have to be so bima and myself are right it being 2 years and him being able to be poisoned pilled

 

Did you not get enough of an answer in your first Beverley draft pick value thread? Geez.

I did a market breakdown of the draft picks this year that "could be" available, and came up with a conservative value based on who would have a need and what they would give up, but I guess that's not enough of an answer.

With Daniels, who knows, but it would have to be somewhere between slightly and substantially less than the value of Bev.

- I dunno... maybe Miami gives up the 26th pick in this years draft for Bev, and maybe the Mavs give up their early 2nd rounder for Daniels. Either way, if the Rockets made this kind of move without a counter deal being made that substantially improves the team, I dont know why the hell you'd want to give them both up for the kind of player you'd get at that spot in the draft.

Both players are going to be regarded as "Specialists" that can be plugged into a certain role on a playoff team on the open market. You must be factoring in the buyer and their substantial needs in order to really know what they would or would not give up. Giving an arbitrary "Value" without a baseline comparison is kind of pointless unless there is some point you are trying to make but not being clear about.

Why don't you come out and tell us what the real point of all of these "draft pick value" threads are instead of asking generic questions, and then ASSUMING people are mind readers to know exactly the point of what you are trying to get at.

 

all good, love your work this time of year

also on the topic of your thread, i would rather a very early second than a pick between 25-30

 

Maybe Love wants to go to Houston more than LA, Chicago, Golden State, or Boston, but tell me why Minnesota trades Love to Houston over the other suitors when their trade packages are obviously going to be better (as it currently stands with the Rockets assets)?

Remember, Morey was more than willing to trade for Dwight without a guarantee he'd re-sign and they were in a much more bleak situation at the time than most of the teams that can trade for Love now.

A team like Chicago, GS, or Boston will most likely be just as confident that if they trade for Kevin Love, he's going to re-sign with them the following year, or willing to take that gamble.

Love can demand a trade wherever he wants, but I seriously dont think he's got that much leverage in this situation to pick and choose.

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I think this is an interesting thought you've brought up BHollic honestly, but was unsure where you were going with this. What if Morey goes crazy the week leading up to draft night, and say -

-Trades Bev for Miami's 26th pick
-Trade Daniels to Milwaukee for the first pick of the 2nd round


than packages the 25 & the 26th pick to the Hawks for the 15th pick.

Morey than turns around and offers Flip Saunders-

-Asik & Lin (essentially 2 large expiring's)
-Jones
-D-Mo
-the 15th pick
-Future 1st in 2016
-quality 2nd rounders
-cash (to help ease the poison pill contracts a bit)

for

-Love
-Budinger
-Barrea

Does that REALLY help that much???? That's a competitive offer for sure. They are getting draft pick assets, a nice young player from this draft, a nice young talent in Jones(even though you'd disagree here I'm sure), and they are able to wipe clean a ton of salary from this year and next year.

However, getting a quality pick in this years draft is just one tricky part of the equation. The other one is essentially getting Glen Taylor to accept the poison pill contracts, and to get Flip Saunders to accept the fact that now he's probably gonna have to turn around and make ANOTHER big deal to move either Asik or Pekovic.... which wont be an easy task if they want value.

 

Not sure if that answers everything about the salary advancements or not, but that's what we know now. Doesn't look like an option.

 

Trading players with minimum contract is a bad idea.

If that player will be at least half decent, you would rather like to hold on to him as his usage value will be exactly what you are looking for.

If that player will be just average at best, he will only be some kind of gap filler in a trade and no team will trade any significant asset for such average min contract players.