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Report: Pistons, Stan Van Gundy close to a deal

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., May 13, 2014.

  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    sometimes ignorance is bliss. I wish you hadn't stated all that. Let morey run his little experiment for a couple more years till Dwight wastes his prime and ends up leaving... and Morey either ends up leaving too or is fired.
     
  2. Nook

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    Seeing as most those listed coaches are equal to eating a **** sandwich, I would probably keep McHale. If you can get Pop or Thibs or Carlisle or Rivers let me know, otherwise I will stick with McHale.
     
  3. Duncan McDonuts

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    Those type of coaches don't become available unless it's a sinking ship. And they weren't always heralded as great coaches, either. They came from being an assistant and got a chance to become a head coach.

    If McFail is the floor, why not switch him out for another and see if that coach is a diamond in the rough. We can't get any worse. Heck, our team got this far on talent alone.
     
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    Please just tell me he's not taking his brother with him. **** when is Shane Battier gonna retire so he can come on and coach this team
     
  5. chow_yun_fat

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    Noo...i would've liked SVG to be our HC :(
     
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    Lets face it. Shane Battier will be the greatest coach ever
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    The coach/president job can be dangerous no matter how brilliant a basketball mind a guy is.

    Because coaches are "in the trenches"-- watching film, running practice, managing rotation and strategies every minute of every game and emotionally living with the results, they will be by the nature of the job conditioned to think short term. It's hard for most coaches (other than Popovich) to even sit an important guy for 10 minutes in the regular season in hopes of having him healthy and rested for the playoffs. And now you ask this guy, who is emotionally invested in every win or loss, and even every made basket and every blown defensive assignment, to think what's best maybe 2 or 3 years from now?

    The president of bball operations or whatever the head guy in charge is called has to do the long-term thinking for a team or you end up running in circles.

    I just think that the competing nature if the jobs is too difficult for one guy to handle, especially a fiery guy like SVG who lives and dies with every play.

    Rick Pitino could not handle it. Pat Riley burned out doing this in Miami (he coached the MIA team to a title but that was when he built the team as only the president and then took over as coach halfway into a season).
     
  8. A_3PO

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    I agree it's a mistake for the Pistons to give SVG full control but their last 4 hired coaches have been Michael Curry, John Kuester, Lawrence Frank and Mo Cheeks. To snag a legit coach like SVG, they had to overpay (in a sense) by making him king instead of just coach.
     
  9. saleem

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    He can't do too much. Defense and spacing, but we need more than that.
    Super Mario will be better for us. He is the only one who can coach and control the inmates.
     
  10. Easy

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    Maybe Morey should hire himself as coach/president. He just wants a coach to be "open" to his analytic experiments. Why not just get some capable assistant coaches to do practice and in-game coaching for him. He can just do game planning and lineup decisions. I think it might work.
     
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    Detroit is a interesting team to take over because they have talent, but that talent doesn't mix well together. The most pressing need for SVG will be to move Monroe and get a PG in return. Jennings and Stuckey are both 2's and SVG needs to get the ball out of their hands and into a true PG's to set the offense up. Drummond is their 5 and with the contract that Josh Smith has it really forces Detroit's hand in moving Monroe. Not necessarily a bad thing because they will be able to get more for Monroe than they could for Smith with his contract. Teams I can see willing to trade their PG for Monroe would be Boston with Rondo, Orlando with Nelson and Phoenix with Bledsoe. If SVG can make a move for one of those three than the teams becomes instantly better as the frontcourt roles are better defined and Detroit finally gets their PG. Couple that with another lottery pick and the further maturation of Drummond and Pope and the defense that SVG will instill in this team and Detroit will have a chance to do next season what they should have done this season and make the playoffs in the east.
     
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    well he is supposed to retire after this season. Perhaps we are biding our time and will offer him a shot on McHale's staff?
     
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    I had a similar reaction. How do you inverse the power structure and still get good results? I think there's two possibilities:

    1. Your coach/president is a McHale-style leadership coach with most of his brainpower expended instead on team-building. He's with the team as a leader, but it's really the top assistant who runs practice and manages games. Meanwhile, he's thinking about what sort of offensive and defensive systems to build, what personnel is required, how to manage the cap, etc., with his GM playing the top assistant role in the front office. The problem here for SVG is that I don't know if he could really step back from games like that if he's sitting on the bench.

    2. He's just a coach with a veto power on his GM. He worries about wins day-to-day and the GM works on team-building. But, his plans have to pass muster with the coach. That sounds like a pretty dysfunctional way to do things.
     
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  16. Carl Herrera

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    1. The Pistons are stuck where they are as a result of Joe Dumars trying to rush the "rebuild" after those Sheed/Ben/Chauncey/Rip/Prince years and just throw money at free agents hoping for things to work out. They ended up with Ben Gordon, Charlie V, Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith.

    I am afraid that SVG will have similar temptations-- perhaps even bigger temptations-- as coach/president. He may not have the cap room to make FA mistakes with, but would be tempted to give up young guys and draft picks for the kind of vets that would help give the team, say, 45-50 wins but not enough assets to get to the next level.

    I think the Pistons may be better off with SVG as President and maybe hire JVG to coach. But I am guessing Stan wants to actually be doing the coaching and not just sit in the office.

    2. The hope is probably that SVG will help Drummond get to the next level as he did with Dwight and surround him with the right pieces. If the Pistons are going to be a realistic contender, Drummond becoming an elite player is a must.

    3. It is critical that the front office has a guy, or several guys, with a strong enough voice to make Stan listen. Somebody has to talk President Stan out of making a rash move when Coach Stan is frustrated with last night's game.
     
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    Isn't Popovich playing some kind of similar role too? Or was?
     
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    I LOVE HIS BROTHER - JEFF VAN GUNDY MORE.....
     
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