I dont know if one should be considered an idiot for being patriotic or even for being anti-American. But the open minded part is important. The issue is treatment of POWs, if you really want to defend Iraqi treatment of prisoners of war { they have a bad habit of killing them) you may want to get started on making up your sign.
OK...explain to me where I defended anything? And what;s your source on this defiler stuff? Point: About THIS war, it was stated that Iraqi soldiers would have done worse had they gotten their hands on our female soldiers...I pointed out that they had gotten their hands on them, and hadn't done worse, can you refute that? Second Point: I will deal with your hired rapist thing when you've given me a statement from a credible source. As you will note from my opening post in this thread, I don't just question the credibility of sources which bash our side in the war, contrary to your deluded statements to the contrary.
Again..where did I defend anything? I asked why when their side does it it's an idictment of an entire nation while when our side does it it's either shrugged off as no big seal, or seen as an isolated incident...and I refuted a non-factual statement about Iraqi treatment of female POWs in this war.
How anyone could come to that conclusion is ridiculous--from their point of view its the same as saying the My Lai massacre was the US administrations fault. Now that the report of British soldiers raping and photographing their exploits has surfaced-- I would say that US P.O.W.'s were treated well by the regular Iraqi military in this war. I'm not including militant groups of Iraq who probable executed our soldiers--The Tim McVeighs of Iraq...
Heres an account of some of their work from Desert Storm. Torture of American POWS included severe beatings with pistols and rifles, weighted rubber hoses, blackjacks, leather straps, metal pipes, batons etc. They used starvation, exposure, aggrivation to existing injuries, electrical shock, chemical injections, cattle prods, stun guns, cat-o-nine tails, cigarette burns and heated spoons etc. The starvation part was so bad POWs were reduced to eating scabs off their bodies. Its well documented and it gets worse, check any search or any news agency. One of the POWs explained it this way on 20/20....For about 20 minutes of my entire captivity they followed the Geneva Convention, the rest of the time I expected to be killed or crippled for life. KingChee..You were right about one thing , these POWs were treated better than those the Iraqi soldiers murdered.
man some of you guys have great points! two wrongs DO make a right! lets mistreat them and show them what the good ol US of A is all about. sorry but every debate ive ever heard between a liberal and a conservative ends the same way. and stop pulling the "youre un-patriotic" card. its lame. theres alot of rights being violated on both sides, but we shouldnt be playing up to their bully image of us. sorry, im not a great debater. macbeth is, and i much enjoy his well thought out arguements that dont involve personal attacks. very refreshing on this board. party on guys....wait. worst...party...ever.
You said- But when it was done, in the last war, to one person alone, you see that as an indictment of the entire regime. That is a defense for the regime that has systematically raped women for years. Of course, you aren't aware of the systematic rape, because you don't read 1/10th as much about this subject as I do. How would you feel if I posed to you the following question- does the gassing of one Jew indict the entire Hitler regime? You would know right away that I was ignorant about the extent of Hitler's atrocities. You said- Female soldiers of ours were captured, and we have yet to hear of any sexual mistreatment. That was your only statement, and I was only pointing out that the Iraqi Army under Saddam's control has a history of sexual abuse with POWs. From the State Department- http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/15996.htm Iraqi dissidents are tortured, killed, or disappear in order to deter other Iraqi citizens from speaking out against the government or demanding change. A system of collective punishment tortures entire families or ethnic groups for the acts of one dissident. Women are raped and often videotaped during rape to blackmail their families. Citizens are publicly beheaded, and their families are required to display the heads of the deceased as a warning to others who might question the politics of this regime. Saddam Hussein was also the first leader to use chemical weapons against his own population, silencing more than 60 villages and 30,000 citizens with poisonous gas. From International Alliance of Justice http://nahrain.com/d/doc/nhr0503g.html The Iraqi government and its intelligence apparatus “Al Moukhabarat” have regularly been intimidating and pressuring the family members of their opponents, journalists and human rights activists. From- http://www.dogchurch.org/indexfrm.html?[url]http://www.dogchurch.org/tract/wtc10.html[/url] For the Iraqi point of view, there was also in the discussion group a former high-ranking Iraqi government official who is now an exile. His life changed when he made a small joke about Saddam (about something unimportant, like the size of his nose) and was overheard by one of Saddam's numerous secret police (can you say, "SS?"). His parents' home, where he lived, was invaded by the secret police in the middle of the night. His family members were beaten as the police searched for him. He and his brother were violently stripped and removed from the house and taken to a secret prison, where he and his brother were kept with 40-50 other naked men in a 10ft X 12ft cell with no toilet or water for 40-something days. They received moldy food or dirty water every few days (never both together). They received torture every day, sometimes several times in one day. When they were finally released, they were given videotapes of the female members of their family being raped by state-employed rapists. Does any of this sound similar to what happened to members of resistance cells or rescuers of Jews in WW II? The most knowledgable poster on this subject, BY FAR, is Treeman. He studies this because he may one day put his life in danger so we can type away in safety. I am pleased that my conclusions mirror his 95% of the time concerning Middle Eastern foreign affairs. You, on the other hand, were not even aware that Saddam employed professional rapists with his secret police, despite that fact that every major news outlet has reported this FACT at one time or another. I am out of time, but if you would like, I will search the archives to show you the actual ID card of a professional rapist. Perhaps Treeman can find it and post it for me. MacBeth, you and the majority of this BBS have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Iraq. You haven't seen or read the 10+ first hand accounts of Iraqis training Al Queda. You don't want to see the 10+ first hand accounts of scientists creating and hiding or destroying WMD. You prefer to call our soldiers and civil servant liars and you create conspiricy theories as to why events unfolded. I wouldn't argue with you about Greek History. I wouldn't argue with Jeff about music. I wouldn't argue basketball with HeyPartner. I wouldn't argue about bongs with RockHead. I wouldn't argue with Outlaw about Bathhouse etiquette. I wouldn't argue with BatmanJones about cranial-anal insertion. You are out of your league on this subject.
