Anyone think guards are getting WAY too many calls when fighting through screens?

Most screens are illegal and refs generally only call them if the guards try to fight through them. So, why are you wanting to punish the guards?

 

What is your basis for this statement?

 

In this new NBA, the entire "screen" premise could be considered "illegal".

You are purposely placing a stationary big man in the way of another player, making contact with that player, in order to gain an advantage.

Problem is, picks/screens have been a part of the game for forever... and the game is better for it. If the NBA wants to do away with them (like the hand-check, or any contact on the perimeter)... then this is how its done.

A huge mistake.... less teams that screen leads to more one-on-one/individual play.

 

It's been going on since the Yao days... and I think before that as well. sturn has turned this league into a guard's game.

and can we turn this into a fire Milk Hair thread?

 

YAO used to get murdered on those calls.

YES fire milk hair plz.

 

what does "fighting through a screen" even mean. That means (should mean) a defender is trying to slide by the screen to go high with the ballhandler, while the ballhandler is trying to prevent any gap for that. It does not mean you can run into the big.

btw: in the rules, the screen must allow room for the defender to either stop or change directions. If the big jumps out too late (even if it looks like he established position) the screen is illegal *if* the defender had no room.

It also is a foul if the big uses a hip or knee to prevent the defender from sliding by. Yao was often called for that, and Asik does it too.

 

It sucks because the call is so arbitrary. Some refs call it, some don't. Some call it in certain games or specific moments in games and not others... Duncan is one of the best at setting screens and not getting called for a foul or moving.

 

The Blazers were setting moving screens all series and only got called twice...Asik got called twice a game...


Another call I hate is when players slide under someone driving to the hole...how is that a charge? What is the player in the air supposed to do, change direction? Beat physics & defy the laws of gravity?

 

another reason why PnR should be run even more. Man, I wish the rockets had some of the best PnR players in the entire league! what? we do? interesting.

 

I actually think the bigger problem is smaller players flopping while guarding post ups

 

This. The illegal screen is a LOT more complicated than whether the screen setter is moving or not. Setting your feet too wide is illegal. Protruding your elbows or legs outside of the "cylinder" of your body is illegal. Hip checking a player is illegal.

The rules for setting screens are also different depending on whether you are setting the screen from in front or behind. You must give the player sufficient room to avoid the pick/screen, and that amount of room is determined by the traveling speed of the player you're attempting to screen/pick.

Yes, screen calls are somewhat arbitrary, and their enforcement changes from season to season depending on the NBA's emphasis. However, Asik does set a number of illegal screens that he does not get called on.

The crappy part is when you feel they're holding Asik to a different standard than another player. You tend to see the greatest disparity when it comes to "star" calls like Kevin Garnett.

Still, Star calls shouldn't shock you. Neither should home cooking calls, or "momentum" (advantageous calls when a team is far behind) and "make up" calls.

 

They are, and a lot of them are flopping to get the call.

 

If anything, it should be a foul on the smaller guy. The big guy stands there for something like half a second, and the smaller guy makes contact with the big guy. It should be considered the equivalent of a charging foul, but it's not.

 

Most calls nowadays are arbitrary

Rocket River

 

Great explanation. You wish players would follow rules though. Instead of fighting through screens, players flop their way out.
Ballhandler should splatter their defender into the screener. Not the screener smashing into the defender.
Those knees sticking out could be a reason why they calling these illegal screens more. To prevent injures

 

Guys like Garnett with the dirty screen setting ruin it for the rest of the guys like Asik who really just set strong picks without creating any unnecessary contact. Meanwhile, Garnett would stick his legs and elbows out, even purposely swinging his elbows into the defender. Refs also need to pay more attention to what happens once the defender has gotten through the pick. Too often screeners will give the defender a push in the back as they "turn" into the roll.