Islamic terrorist group kidnaps hundreds of young girls to sell into slavery or as child brides

A common error with Islamic apologists is they love strawmaning Islamic critics. Yes, since we believe Islam needs a reformation that automatically coincides with us believing that attacking innocent Muslim is part of that reformation process. Ya, our foreign policy is definitely not helping.

 

No, they didn't. The Crusades, which lasted two centuries, ran out of steam because so many were killed in them, there just weren't more men who could be called on to fight. The Inquisition lasted centuries before the most egregious of its practices were abolished.

"Following the first crusade there was an intermittent 200-year struggle for control of the Holy Land, with six more major crusades and numerous minor ones. In 1291, the conflict ended in failure with the fall of the last Christian stronghold in the Holy Land at Acre, after which Roman Catholic Europe mounted no further coherent response in the east."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

There is kind of a huge difference between "reform" of a religion and setting out to "abolish" it, as at least one poster has suggested.

 

the first step should be secrecy, night vision goggles, and snipers.

not #hashtag diplomacy.

#bringbackourambassador.

 

I sense a great duplicity in the force.

Spoiler

 

From your own article, it looks like it was a calculated move, urged by the Nigerian government, to marginalize the organization. It may have been the right move or the wrong move, but there are good arguments both ways. I don't think you can use it as evidence of gross negligence or incompetence on the part of Clinton in dealing with the terrorist organization.

 

Ya'll mofos are slipping. This story is three weeks old! Given the agendas of both political sides I'm surprised no one pounced on this story sooner. But then I remembered, it's f-cking Africa, black Africa. We're so desensitized to horrible sh-t in that part of the world that we really just ignore it.

Anyway, Brunei just enacted Sharia Law, never mind that the royals there violate it everyday, Hollywood is getting all pissy and boycotting the Beverly Hills Hotel because its owned by the Sultan. I guess whatever, lets see how the protest goes when they find out the Royal family owns a sh-t ton of properties/businesses etc in California.

 

. . . or at least the highest number that is reported more aggressively and widely in the western [Read: Christian] news cycle.

Rocket River

 

Christian outlets like the New York Times and MSNBC definitely have an agenda of protecting Christians from bad publicity.

 

Doesn't need to be a great agenda as much as a bit of a soft peddling.

It is not a ON/OFF situation as much as a go at it LEVEL 10 versus LEVEL 8, etc

I think we have an interest in demonizing Islam because that keeps the
Average American citizen distrustful of the religion
which serves some vague National Security Interest or some such
or at least IMO some people feel that way

Propaganda is not something that only happens OUTSIDE the U S A
IT happens here

Rocket River

 

Burying their head in sand over what?

Everyone agrees that Boko Haram is evil. Everyone pretty much agrees that Al Qaeda is evil. Everyone pretty much agrees that the Taliban is evil. Everyone pretty much agrees that it is wrong of Saudis to fund those groups. Is coming out and declaring that Islam itself is evil lifting your head out of the sand?

What is the end game here for blasting Islam? Do people want another crusade? Do people want a war of religions to wipe out Islam from the face of the Earth?

 

Or it could be just one more bad decision on the part of the Clinton State Department.

 

Hopefully any rescue operations results is 0 deaths of the girls. Boko needs to be wiped off the face of this planet.

 

Just a group of r****ds being led by r****ds.


You could easily round up a similar sized group of hillbillies that would love to do the same thing to a few hundred gay folks If it was feasible.

 

So true.

And by the way, the wife of the head of the government of that country had one of the female leaders of the protest agains the abductions arrested because she thought that the protests were bad press for her husband.

Unbelievable, really.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ders-arrest-of-protest-leaders_n_5265872.html



Nigeria First Lady Orders Arrest Of Protest Leaders Calling For Return Of 276 Missing Schoolgirls

LAGOS, Nigeria (AP) — Nigeria's Islamic extremist leader is threatening to sell the nearly 300 teenage schoolgirls abducted from a school in the remote northeast three weeks ago, in a new videotape received Monday.

Abubakar Shekau for the first time also claimed responsibility for the April 15 mass abduction, warning that his group plans to attack more schools and abduct more girls.

"I abducted your girls," said the leader of Boko Haram, which means "Western education is sinful."

He described the girls as "slaves" and said, "By Allah, I will sell them in the marketplace." The hourlong video starts with fighters lifting automatic rifles and shooting in the air as they chant "Allahu akbar!" or "God is great."

It was unclear if the video was made before or after reports emerged last week that some of the girls have been forced to marry their abductors — who paid a nominal bride price of $12 — and that others have been carried into neighboring Cameroon and Chad. Those reports could not be verified.

In the video, Shekau also said the students "will remain slaves with us." That appears a reference to the ancient jihadi custom of enslaving women captured in a holy war, who then can be used for sex.

"They are slaves and I will sell them because I have the market to sell them," he said, speaking in the Hausa language of northern Nigeria.

The video was reviewed by The Associated Press, and both the face and the voice of the leader of Boko Haram were recognizable.

Shekau brushed off warnings that the abductions could be an international crime, saying in English, as if to reach his accusers in the international community: "What do you know about human rights? You're just claiming human rights (abuses), but you don't know what it is."

An intermediary who has said Boko Haram is ready to negotiate ransoms for the girls also said two of the girls have died of snakebite and about 20 are ill. He said Christians among the girls have been forced to convert to Islam. The man, an Islamic scholar, spoke on condition of anonymity because his position is sensitive.

Nigeria's police have said more than 300 girls were abducted. Of that number, 276 remain in captivity and 53 escaped.

The mass abduction and the military's failure to rescue the girls and young women have ignited national outrage with demonstrations in major cities. Protesters accused President Goodluck Jonathan of insensitivity to the girls' plight.

An organizer of a demonstration said Monday that Jonathan's wife, Patience, ordered the arrests of two protest leaders, accused them of belonging to Boko Haram and expressed doubts there was any kidnapping.

It was unclear what authority Patience Jonathan would have to give such orders, since there is no office of first lady in the Nigerian constitution.

Ayo Adewuyi, spokesman for the first lady, said he was unaware of any arrests. "The first lady did not order the arrest of anybody, and I'm sure of that," he told the AP.

But Saratu Angus Ndirpaya of Chibok town said State Security Service agents drove her and protest leader Naomi Mutah Nyadar to a police station Monday after an all-night meeting at the presidential villa in Abuja, the capital. She said police immediately released her but that Nyadar remains in detention.

By Monday afternoon, police said Nyadar had been returned home. A statement denied she was detained, saying she was "invited ... (to) an interactive and fact-finding interview. "

Ndirpaya said Patience Jonathan accused them of fabricating the abductions. "She told so many lies, that we just wanted the government of Nigeria to have a bad name, that we did not want to support her husband's rule," she said in a telephone interview with the AP.

She said other women at the meeting, allies of Patience Jonathan including officials of the government and the ruling party, cheered and chanted "yes, yes," when the first lady accused them of belonging to Boko Haram. "They said we are Boko Haram, and that Mrs. Nyadar is a member of Boko Haram."

In a report on the meeting, Daily Trust newspaper quoted Patience Jonathan as ordering all Nigerian women to stop protesting, and warning that "should anything happen to them during protests, they should blame themselves."

On Sunday night, President Jonathan said his administration was doing everything possible. On Friday he created a presidential committee to go to the affected Borno state to work with the community on a strategy to free the girls.

 

Well, Muslims tend to be the more religious and practicing than people of any other religion so with that level of devoutness, there will be a good number of extremists and fanatics. The negatives will accompany the positives unfortunately with Islam having the most practicing followers.

Everyone wants to "establish Islam" in their countries and their societies but the leaders of the Islamic world are a bunch of jokes who somehow came into power and in trying to do so, they further deteriorate the public image of Islam. None of these leaders are scholars by any means of Islam so whatever their interpretation of Sharia law or whatever they try to implement is extremely flawed. The leaders in Muslim-majority countries are disjointed and have their own political motives. They're not true Islamic leaders.

These despicable groups are led by a bunch of morons who know nothing about Islam. Same goes for the followers/terrorists. They have no formal knowledge about the religion, the don't know Islamic history and the transliteration/context of the Quran. For example, this idiot leader of Boko Haram said in his video something to the effect of "I will sell them! Allah told me to sell them!" Uhh, no he didn't. These people are fools, they don't know what they're talking about.

What's going in Nigeria is atrocious. I pray they are all returned to their families safely and I hope Boko Haram is wiped off the Earth.

Do I agree Islam is the most misinterpreted religion out there? Absolutely. The misunderstandings definitely lead to these terrorist groups forming and all these crimes being committed "in the name of Islam." For the majority of Muslims, we recognize that and don't believe it's a flaw in the religion, it's the flaw of the people. We believe there will be tough times where faith will be tested and this is definitely one of those times. It's so easy to say "all terrorists regardless of race, language, location have Islam as the common theme so it must be bad!" That's the test of faith by God we believe. But it's not Islam that commands or encourages all this behavior, it's lack of knowledge on the religion by people who take backwards interpretations and run with it. You can say it's all BS or whatever because you may not believe that and that's fine. That's just what Muslims believe, that Islam doesn't condone all these killings and atrocities, people have twisted it to make it seem like it does.

Islam has been a positive influence on so many people who may not have been religious or even Muslims at first, but they are now because they realize how beneficial it has been for them. Of course, the atrocities will be publicized a lot more that the positives because those are news stories that need to be publicized. A lot of the positives go unnoticed because they're not newsworthy or attention-grabbing for the public.

 

My solution is to engage parties in democratic discourse through platforms tailored to remove blocks from over-zealous governments looking to censor/kill/torture their own citizens (an example in this vein: https://github.com/sanity/tahrir)

how kind of you to assume that there is force and violence and nothing else.

Guess which attitude will fuel a cycle of people trying to kill each other.

 

Um, you quoted this right after the dude assumed I was for doing nothing based on the fact I wasn't for shoving drones up people's face.

...there's a bit of irony here.

 

as much as Boko Haram is absolutely evil, the fact remains that the gross incompetence of the Nigerian government, and its inability to stop itself from committing absolutely stupendous reprisal attacks (including summarily executing the previous leader of the Boko Haram ON LIVE TV (???) while it was still nominally a non-violent group) is representative of the unhelpful and unproductive attitude some will hold on the issue of dealing with Islam.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html

 

Exactly and they changed it overnight. It is not like the crusades took place over a timeframe of about 200 year. And witch hunting also vanished immediatly it and didn't take place over a time span of 300 years.

What do you think is the best response? Outlawing a major religion? Im not sure that will solve it. I have made several posts about this is another thread in a discussion with SJC: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=8847315#post8847315.

 

No, it's representative of that government being a joke.

Or are you saying dealing with Boko Haram = dealing with Islam.