ESPN Radio: Larry Brown will be hired as Pistons head coach on Monday

Excellent freaking post.

 

Again, this is YOUR opinion and just because you say so, does not mean that CD, Les, the rest of the NBA or the rest of this BBS agrees with you.

Brown, as has been documented on this board, has his baggage. His relationships with his star players has come under scrutiny. Often, this personel moves leave something to be desired. Heypartner as pointed out quite a few times how he too, along with Van Gundy, has quit on his teams midway through the season. That being said, he is still my 1st choice. However, the NBA coaching world does not revolve around Brown and if he was head and shoulders the best coach in the NBA not named Riley or Jackson, then 26 other teams would be trying to lure him their way every season.

Also, its unfair to say that Dunleavy, Silas and Van Gundy never will be in the HOF when they have been only coaching for 10 years, versus Brown's 20/30 years. Ya never know.

Last, you keep saying the Rockets aren't make the same effort or "falling down all over themselves" in order to aquire Brown's services. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. You are speculating. Unless you know for sure that we have not made Brown an offer, then its unfair to critisize otherwise.

 

On Extra Points just now Kenny Hand said that Brown will be going to Detriot and he will be earning 9 mill per season. For that price Detroit can have him.

Hopefully the Rockets can get Carlisle because any other choice right now would just be a ho-hum hire after the Rockets had a chance to get the Bill Parcells of basketball in Larry Brown.

 

The best PR move is to somehow bring Jason Kidd to Houston.

Then get Eddie Jordan to continue coaching him.

 

Screw this, screw Larry Brown, screw PR, and screw Jason Kidd.

I'm so freakin pissed. I can't believe it.

Why is Larry an idiot? He's not going to win the championship with freaking Detroit. Didn't he watch Yao b**** slap Ben Wallace around the court? If he has so much knowledge on basketball, how the HELL does he turn down the league's next best C for te DOUGHNUT Detroit team.

He's going to be working with little kids in Tayshaun Prince, Darko Milicic and whoever the hell else they bring in.

What about Dumars? Carlisle won coach of the year LAST SEASON, and he won executive of the year THIS season?

I GUARANTEE that he would've lost the exec of the year award had he fired Carlisle before voting.

How many more wins could THIS Detroit team POSSIBLY get? They expect to win 60 with their team?

We better be hiring Rick Carlisle or we're freakin doomed.

In my eyes, if Larry Brown takes this job, he's a sellout. Houstno has a better chance of winning the championship, having two All Stars and an owner who settles for nothing less than championships.

I CANNOT believe this. What kind of luck do we have so that the current executive of the year fires LAST YEAR'S coach of the year after making the Eastern finals and winning 100 games in 2 seasons, and hires Larry Brown.

 

I think it's time for Les to pull any offer sheet off the table on Brown. Brown is clearly shopping around for $$$ and this whole Pistons deal reeks of it. The Pistons are NOT a team with anywhere near the upside of the Rockets. Give credit to Carlisle for making the Pistons look like an overachieving team. Ultimately, I sincerely hope we go for a younger coach like JVG or even Carlisle. This BS with Brown has gone far enough. Even Silas and Dunleavy have expressed greater interest in this job.

I hope Brown takes this Pistons job.

Good riddance.



theSAGE

 

Hall of Famer, Great Teacher, Disciplinarian and OPPORTUNIST - that's what Larry Brown is.

The Rox are making a big mistake if they ante up for Brown at this point in time. I'd much rather see Les make a formal offer to JVG or Dunleavey. Pay the "early penalty fee" to the Knicks. Who cares? The fans and the team need closure on this. What more is there to investigate? Why interview more people? We have enough 1st string coaches to do the job. If we don't approach this aggressively, we will lose good coaching talent to these other teams. This move by the Pistons in signing Brown, if true, will only make teams like the Cavs even more aggressive in finding that right replacement. Meanwhile, you have to believe that new vacacies in Philly will also demand a high profile replacement.

I anticipate a domino effect from this Piston's news... whereby we'll see more signings and more offer sheets appear over the coming days.



theSAGE

 

Joe Dumars is a jerk. I had always thought he was the good guy on that badboy team. But, firing Carlisle is a bigtime jerk move. I don't know if Larry had worked a deal with the Pistons before or not, but if he did, then he's a jerk too, and they deserve each other. There was an article that mentioned Carlisle's coaching should have earned him a contract extension, not a dismissal. If I was Carlisle I would be furious. It may not be professional but my first instinct would be to badmouth Joe Dumars as much as possible.

If Larry didn't have a deal with Dumars then I won't feel so negatively toward him. Larry Brown had an offer from the Rockets. If Larry is just using Detroit to jack up that offer he's a big time jerk too, because that move cost Carlisle his job, and screwed the Pistons out of their coach, though it would be funny since Detroit would have fired perhaps the best coach in the league to get Brown, and might end up with neither Carlisle or Larry.

If Larry knew he was going to Detroit but with the Rockets in order drive up the money Detroit was willing to pay, then he's a jerk for letting the Rockets think he was interested, and using his supposed friends.

These are all hypotheticals, and I won't make up my mind one way or another based on the miniscule knowledge that we are getting from the press. But the distinct possibility remains that Larry Brown is a jerk. I definitely now believe Joe Dumars to be a big jerk. They may deserve each other.

 

Man, you're gone from the BBS all day and things blow up!
Personally, I hope like hell that we don't get Dunleavy. I liked him more when he played for the Rocks. I don't want Van Gundy, because I think a lot of his "buzz" is a creation of Jeff being on TV all the time. Silas was at least interesting. Carlisle is a complete surprize as a candidate and worth serious consideration. I never expected Dumars to fire him.

I've wanted Larry Brown.
But I thought I'd respond to something you asked Manny and I think someone else mentioned earlier... Pat Riley. He's been in a nightmare in Miami. His best player, Zo, gets a terrible health problem out of the blue. He's just been having a hell of a time. But the guy can coach. His teams in New York weren't pretty, but they won. Most probably think of him as a slave-driving disciplinarian who's obsessed with defense. But this is a guy who coached the Showtime Lakers to several rings. He's probably dying for a change. He's still a HUGE name with the public.

I never thought I'd say this, but if we can't get Brown I think we should consider Pat Riley... if he's available. Think about it.

 

Here's a sample of Piston fan reactions from fanhome.com

http://insiders3.ezboard.com/fdetroitpistonsfrm1

edgecrusher0169
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(5/31/03 2:25:55 am)
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Re: Carlisle Fired! Brown in sight?

Why oh why? This guy was a helluva coach. Look what he did in two years!! Screw Larry Brown!

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Glock18
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Re: Carlisle Fired! Brown in sight?

I thought my eyes were fooling me when I flashed past espn and saw something about Rick Carlisle being fired. So I quickly went back to the channel but it was gone. So I thought it was just my imagination. However now that it seems like it's real can anyone answer the question of why? I can't think of any reason. Do the players on the team know? How are they handeling this? Wow I'm a bulls fan and I have never seen someone treated as unfairly as Carlisle. I can't believe this. Dumars better have a good expplanation or alot of people might not want to come to this franchise after seeing crap like this. I hope it dosn't affect the team too much or affect your ability to draw free agents.

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DetroitChumps
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Re: Carlisle Fired! Brown in sight?

Its on ESPN's front page.

NO WAY should we hire Brown. I have been watching him for 2 years here in Philly. He is power hungry and still awful and making decisons. Van Gundy IMO would be much more attractive especially considering the type of team we have.

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(5/31/03 2:24:46 am)
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Re: Wow, why did your coach get fired

Why did he get fired?

BECAUSE DETROIT FINALLY HAD SOMETHING GOOD GOING FOR ITS SPORTSFANS AND IT HAD TO BE SCREWED UP!!!

The Lions suck, the Tigers suck way more, the Pistons were very good. So lets fire the Pistons coach!!

I AM OUTRAGED!!!

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edgecrusher0169
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(5/31/03 2:23:03 am)
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Re: Carlisle Fired?!?!?!

This is the stupidest and most asinine thing to ever hit the NBA and the city of Detroit.

I am embarassed to call myself a Piston fan.

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(5/31/03 1:36:51 pm) This also struck me as weird about Carlisle being fired....

The Pistons just played the 76ers in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Rick Carlisle obviously out coached Larry Brown and the Pistons won in 6.

RICK CARLISLE OUT COACHED LARRY BROWN

I mean I honostly can't even think of one reason why they would wanna bring Larry Brown in for Rick Carlisle. NOT ONE REASON.

I remember people talking "Rick Carlisle might get fired man" and I was just like "No, that's not gonna happen believe me I know my Pistons. They won't fire Rick Carlisle, big mistake if they did."

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pistonfan1
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i am shocked and appauled

WTF!?!?!?!?!?

This is probably one of the worst moves ever, I wanna know exactly what Joe Dumars is thinking. I have always thought very high of this guy, won the sportsmanship award when he played hoop and just a class act all around.

Why would he let Carlisle go? Larry Brown sucks, he has nothing to show except that national championship in college hoops where he was just surrounded by great ballers and that's it.

Carlisle has done a great job, is also a good man. He doesn't deserve this.

I have seriously lost some respect for my team..

 

Clutch:

Your front page article has a mistake. You said that "Meanwhile, Larry Brown has been the top guy all along and has had an offer from the Rockets, that he was expected to answer by Monday."

"Rockets" should be "Pistons", right?

 

windandsea

I believe Clutch meant Rockets. I guess Brown will call both clubs and announce his decision. That's probably why CD said he would discuss the situation with Les over the weekend. It had already been decided or offered to Brown. Meanwhile, Detroit jumped in with an offer as well.

 

I think the Rockets should go for avery johnson or mario elie. I believe that dunleavy will go to atlanta, silas to philly, van gundy to cleveland, and brown to detroit. Experience doesn't count for everything. Rudy T. had no head coaching experience when was hired to won 2 championships. Coaching is all about managing and motivating people. That's all it is. People put too much emphasis on experience.

 

Ask Yao Ming to call Brown, now. That is our only chance.

 

If Brown has chosen the Pistons, then we have to accept that and move on. It hurts but we must find a different coach. Rick Carlisle is an exceptional coach. dunleavy is good too.

Silas has a good coaching record as well. Still some good candidates out there. It's nerve racking but I'm sure the announcement will be made after Brown announces his decision on Monday.

 

Clutch,

Could you elaborate on this or is that off limits right now?

 

I guess you havent seen this then. SHould I just create a thread this to stop all the "Carlisle to the Rox sepcualtion"

Carlisle could land in Portland


By Rob Parker / The Detroit News

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AUBURN HILLS -- Rick Carlisle probably won't be without a job too long.

Carlisle, fired by the Pistons on Saturday, could be signing on to coach the Portland Trail Blazers sometime this week.

Carlisle's firing, after posting back-to-back 50-victory seasons in his first two years as a head coach, set off a chain reaction around the NBA. The Trail Blazers, who just this past week told the Philadelphia 76ers they wouldn't allow Coach Maurice Cheeks to interview there, have changed their minds.

Cheeks, a former 76ers star and an assistant under Larry Brown, has given permission to talk to Philadelphia about Brown's old job. Brown will be introduced as the Pistons coach at a news conference as early as Monday.

What sweetens the pot for Carlisle is the fact that the Trail Blazers are without a general manager. Bob Whitsitt resigned after this season. It's no secret that Carlisle, who was an NBA assistant for 11 seasons before coming to Detroit, would love a chance to both run an organization and coach it at the same time.

"Maybe there's an opportunity with one of these jobs open that fits my particular profile," Carlisle said. "I don't know, but I guess I'll find out more about it the next seven days."

Carlisle was an assistant for P.J. Carlesimo in Portland between 1994-97. The Trail Blazers went to the playoffs in each of those three seasons.

Carlisle is known as a no-

nonsense kind of leader. Many believe that's what that talented group of players need in Portland to get to the next step.

 

It just doesn't make any sense why Detroit would fire an excellent coach, still under contract, with no replacement in the offing. My take is that there were indeed meetings/conversations btw Brown and Pistons and that, for whatever contract was being discussed, there was enough positive body language on the part of Brown, to give the Pistons the green light in firing Carlisle. The timing of the firing is also very suspicious. Why now of all times? The Pistons were eliminated in 4 games and mgmt could have easily made this decision earlier.

Joe Dumars was a pretty slick player back in the day.

Now that he's in the front office, he's making some pretty slick moves with his pen. The only way this firing of Carlisle is a low risk proposition to Detroit is if they have confirmation that a "better" coach is ready to take Carlisle' place. i.e. they are preparing to trade up in the coaching department. That said, I feel like Brown has been playing the Rocket organization like fools. If it came down to $$$, then be honest and say so. Why dilly dally and make it seem like some "dilemna?" The Rockets need a coach who is hungry for a RING, and not hungry for CASH. The latter pollutes the mind and has made many a washed up coach all the more futile as the years go on.

I sincerely hope we don't get suckered into anteing up for Brown. The only rationale for being torn, at this juncture, is sheer GREED. There is absolutely no comparison btw the Rockets and Detroit as far as the attractiveness of talent. Heck, even the CAVs are more appealling on paper than the Pistons. All this reeks of greed, and I don't like any part of it.



theSAGE

 

Clutch

I know you can't say much about the LB situation but can you comment on JVG...is he still the 2nd candidate?