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The Texans #1 Draft Pick Thread (3.0)

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., May 2, 2014.

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Number one pick?

Poll closed May 8, 2014.
  1. Teddy Bridgewater

    4.3%
  2. Jadeveon Clowney

    40.6%
  3. Khalil Mack

    4.3%
  4. Johnny Manziel

    24.2%
  5. Trade the pick(minimum of: swap of 2014 1st rd picks; future 1st; 2014 2nd rd pick)

    25.8%
  6. Still undecided

    0.8%
  1. Major

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    If you pick a QB with the #1 pick, you're most likely attaching your career with that team to that pick, both for the GM and the coach. If he doesn't work out, the team is going to be a mess and you're probably out of a job regardless - the details of what happens if he fails is irrelevant, especially when you're talking about things like fanbase reaction, etc.

    If you believe in the player, you pick him - consequences of being wrong be damned. If you don't believe in him, you don't pick him. If you don't believe in anyone, you probably should trade back.
     
  2. tmacfor35

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    And if he is so bad in year 1, you get the crab leg stealer himself.
     
  3. MystikArkitect

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    It's Clowney. But I'd be fine with Mack. Pick up Bortles, Bridgewater or Manziel top of second or bottom of first. Compete with Fitz for starting job.

    I feel better already. We have an NFL team in our city.
     
  4. Refman

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    That's the thing...if the Texans pass on Manziel and he becomes a star elsewhere...Rick Smith will never live it down. This is especially true if we pick Clowney and he lives up to his 3 sacks a year that he put up last season.
     
  5. endoftheworld

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    Odds are that Manziel will be average to below average somewhere else

    Why take that risk when we can get Clowney/Mack at 1:1 who have a higher chance of success or trade back and pick up Bridgewater who will have a higher chance of success?
     
  6. Ottomaton

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    This is brought up a lot in one form or another.

    The unspoken point that it presupposes is that it is at all likely to happen.. I know that the people bringing up the point consider it settled, but I think if you expanded the poll to include people not in favor of Manziel, you might find a greater degree of variability with respect to likelihood.
     
  7. Refman

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    It isn't just me disagreeing with you. People like Jon Gruden and Jerry Rice and Gil Brandt and Roger Staubach all think that Manziel will be a huge success. All of those guys know a lot more about football, particularly offense, than most people.

    Who is right? Time will tell. If I am Rick Smith and think we should pass on him, it would be a hell of a time to be wrong.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    It's Clowney. Manziel has too many question marks in his game.

    His improvisation and scrambling won't translate 100% to the NFL.
     
  9. Remii

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    If the Texans pass up on Johnny and he is a success it won't make a difference if the Texans are successful.

    I don't even see how Johnny is even up for conversation at this point. O'Brien has already stated that there's not much separation between the quarterbacks in this draft class. And Johnny and O'Brien just doesn't seem like a great fit.
     
  10. endoftheworld

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    Countless times have media personnel and former players have hyped up players going into the NFL only for them to ending up as gigantic busts and out of the league in 3 years

    Guys like Gruden and Brandt are notable offenders
     
  11. endoftheworld

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    Manziel is a smart kid, he knows how to sell himself
     
  12. Refman

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    I don't understand the Clowney hype. He is touted as an elite pass rusher and tallied one sack every four games last year.
     
  13. Fulgore

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    He's a t-shirt and shorts warrior.
     
  14. Ottomaton

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    I worry about how well he'll motivate, over the long haul, but there are some plays watching against top competition when I had to brace myself from yelling expletives. If you put together a top 10 plays reel, I promise you you'd be impressed. For instance, against Tennessee he picks up Tiny Richardson (6'6", 330, and probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick) on a couple of occasions and basically throws him into the backfield. At times, he looks like a college player lining up against a pee - wee league team.

    The problem I have, though, is he'll disappear for quarters at a time. But when he's on, the closest thing I can think of is how Randy Moss totally dominated everybody he went against his first few years in the league.
     
  15. Refman

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    That is a huge problem with Clowney. In the NFL, to be elite, your motor has to be running high on every play. If a talented player in the trenches has motivation or work ethic issues, he will get swallowed up in the league.
     
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  17. K-Low_4_Prez

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    I think its obvious its Clowney
     
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  19. emjohn

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    Mario's shown that isn't true.

    I look at Clowney and I see an elite talent.......for a 4-3 DE. I'll even say I look at the make up of our roster and say our guys would fit better in a 4-3 scheme. However, BOB tabbed Crennel to run his 3-4 defense and I just don't know if the fit is there. I acknowledge the "then you change your scheme!" folks....but that's on the coaching staff. If they aren't going to do it, they aren't going to do it, and in that scenario you are better off getting someone who fits rather than force Clowney to play out of position.

    I'm not overly enthused by any of the QBs, I don't care how much individual posters here SPAM the board with their nonstop insistence that Manziel/other is a can't miss stud. I'll put my faith in O'Brien on this one. He knows what he wants, he's evaluating these guys, he can decide for himself. If he takes one or if he passes on them all, I'll trust that he made the right call.

    If (if if if) they've decided that those four candidates aren't a slam dunk and they've got offers for a trade, I'm all for them taking it. If they can get perfect fit Mack and a pick that becomes another impact starter on a team badly in need of restocking, that's hard to beat. I'm also a big fan of the idea of grabbing one of the two tackles to finally fix our line.

    While he looks great, I don't think we're in the position to use our top pick on a WR. Too many gaping holes for that kind of luxury.

    Only my perspective on the matter. Thursday can't get here fast enough.
     
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  20. Wattafan

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    We need more high round picks so trade is the best option.
    Otherwise we take Clowney - that extra pass rush will release our LB's to be much more disruptive and force more hurried plays from the QB.
    With Watt and Clowney creating havoc, Cushing, Reed and Mercilus will have huge seasons in 2014 - book it.
     

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