I was watching John Gruden on Numbers Never Lie and he said he would take Johnny if he was in the Texans position. He also said how many edge rushers are they going to draft when they already have Mercilus who's a 1st round pick and Reed who's a 2nd round pick.
Clowney is one of the most decorated recruits in history. He was the number one player in his class by every recruiting system known to man. If there is any singular player who would have been advised to go pro straight out of high school in the past 20 years, it most likely would have been Clowney. His high school highlight film is 10 minutes of him sacking the QB, recovering the inevitable fumble, and running it back for a touchdown. Seriously.
I was just posting what Gruden said. That was his opinion. So you can take it up with him if you have a problem with it
Draft promos from ESPN(lots of videos; don't know how to embed them on here properly): Manziel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64VuryukM3E&list=UUiWLfSweyRNmLpgEHekhoAg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDO7Na2tVVw&list=UUiWLfSweyRNmLpgEHekhoAg Watkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJZmW2symI8&list=UUiWLfSweyRNmLpgEHekhoAg Marquis Lee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDQ37k-ex4Q Bortles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhPfC1S66Ck Bridgewater: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=180LqY4ZKeA Clowney: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZfS7_NfkVo Anthony Barr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1jlG40Swks
No? You said AP was ready for the NFL out of high school, so Clowney wasn't a good comparison. I was just telling you that Clowney is probably the most "NFL ready" prospect we've seen in a long, long time out of high school. They certainly can be compared in that regard.
"And I don't think AP had questions about his work ethic, motivation to play, etc. and he didn't have a questionable underperforming final year in college. Plus AP is one of the few people that many thought could have went pro straight out of high schoo... That's not a very good comparison but I get your point." You only picked out one specific part of my post and ran with it. But if you read all of the bolded part you will see why I said it's not a good comparison... And it's not. And I seriously doubt Clowney could have played in the NFL at that position out of high school facing NFL tackles. AP _ different story. *
Don't over-think this, just pick the kid already <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>At 264 pounds, Jadeveon Clowney scored a 71 on his speed of movement test on the force plate today. Similar score to Devin Hester. ...</p>— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/459792761185894401">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>... To contextualize Clowney's score of 71 further, that's out of 80, which is where an Olympic sprinter would be. Pretty incredible.</p>— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/459793015163588608">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sparta founder Phil Wagner laughed reading Clowney's results. Speed graded similar to Hester, strength was at average for an NFL o-lineman.</p>— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/459793453480955904">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>“I called plays for 14 years. This is the kind of kid I'm looking for .. the kind of QB I want to be around" Jon Gruden on Johnny Manziel</p>— NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/statuses/459739907469373440">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mike Mayock tells <a href="https://twitter.com/GottliebShow">@GottliebShow</a> if he were a GM with a top 10 pick and HAD to draft a QB, he'd take Johnny Manziel.</p>— Adam Klug (@Adam_Klug) <a href="https://twitter.com/Adam_Klug/statuses/459805998224392192">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Agree with Stephen A.: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>At some point, someone's going to have to tell <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless">@RealSkipBayless</a> you can't MAKE the Texans take <a href="https://twitter.com/JManziel2">@JManziel2</a> -- not matter how hard he tries.</p>— Stephen A Smith (@stephenasmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/statuses/459706115316785152">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yea, the Rockets should have never traded for him considering how good the team was before he got here.
Interesting comparison between Mario Williams' combine numbers and Clowney. "Williams had an extraordinary combine. Listed at 6-7, 295 at the combine, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.66, benched 225 pounds 35 times and had a 40 ½-inch vertical. By comparison, at the combine, Clowney was 6-5 ½, ran a 4.53, benched 21 and had a 37 ½ vertical." For a defensive lineman, the superior strength shown by Williams in the bench and vertical would seem to be more valuable than 0.13 seconds of straight sprint time. The article also kept mentioning 9+ sacks "per game" average by Julius Peppers and Williams, so I supposed this was not written by someone who follows football closely.
Yeah, pick the dude with all the physical tools but lacking in heart and work ethic.. That's a recipe for success.
Clowney doesn't even measure up to Mario (not even close) but yet you have guys like Mel Kiper calling him a once in a 15-20 year prospect.
