Morey needs to be on the hot seat as well

I cant really imagine you posting anything worth while enough to get rep. You must be a LOF upset that Lin wasn't given the max. How the hell else could you be upset at Morey..?

 

McHale is on the hot seat this year. Morey will be on the hot seat next year. That's how it should be. These are all Morey's players.

 

Ultimately the buck stops with the man at the top.

He's the one who hires the coaches and acquires the talent. The pieces don't seem to quite fit yet although obviously this series isn't over yet. I agree McHale will likely be the one to fall on his sword this year though.

 

This message board is verging on hot garbage; what a shame.

 

Is this your only rebuttal? "But, but, he got us Howard & Harden" lol. Our bench is terrible. Remember Casspi? How did this Morey signing work out? Remember AB? The guy who had playoff experience unlike most of our bench? He got traded for a guy who hasn't touched the floor in the postseason. Jeremy Lin anybody?


The biggest flaw we have is that Moreyball crap. Its known that style dont work in the postseason, yet we still run it

 

LOL No

 

Regardless of the result on this series (unless we win the western conference), Mcfail is gone for sure.

First of all, he is a terrible coach as we saw this all season long with games that we should of won. How he use some of the players and develop them are questionable.

Second, He was suppose to be a tank team coach (this one is actually on Morey). Mcfail should of been fired once we got DH, but noooo his predigee as a big man player with a ring will do DH well.

McFail is gone and should be gone this off season. Morey should be blame for letting him stay.

LES SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR NOT GETTING PHIL JACKSON WHEN HE WAS AVAILABLE.

 

So many knee jerk reactions after going down 0 - 2. I cant take it.

 

Are they really knee-jerk or reasonable given we are down 0-2 losing both at HOME?

 

When you're on your way to getting swept in the first round, after having HCA, it's not a knee jerk anymore. This isn't some regular season stinker. These are the only games that really matter.

 

Morey put together a good team of individual players, but this series definitely throws into question his stated philosophy that you always go after the best players available regardless of fit or chemistry. He stated that several times when he was asked why we were going after Dwight when we had just signed Asik.

Yesterday's game was evidence that we can run the offense to emphasize Dwight or Harden, but not both. Harden and all the perimeter guys were thrown off their game and literally had no idea what to do when we were running the offense through Dwight. So, was it really smart to go after the best available players when one is great at running the pick and roll, and the other has stated zero interest in being a pick and roll player? Morey definitely bears some blame for that.

 

I don't know why people are judging Morey's entire work as a GM when he STILL hasn't put together a team he thinks can win a title yet. Now, he definitely put together a team that can win a 1st rd playoff series.....But the reason we're down is because of McHale.


These next two seasons WILL define him though. You know he has a plan. We'll see how it pans.

 

What? You have TWO prototypical NBA superstars who can do everything their postions asks to to do(sans jumpshooting for Dwight) and THE COACH can't make it work. Not to mention TWO other guys who can PNR(Parsons and Lin) with one of the best roll men in the league(Dwight)

This is not like Amare ad Melo where one guy can't post up and needs PNR with a great guard and the other can't pass effectively.

You have a guy who can attack and be effective ANYWHERE on the court, and yet you can only draw up an ISO for him. And another who can be ustoppable with the correct post position, yet you never run something simple like a pick and roll to the rim and PIN down play(Some of you are probably unfamiliar but that was a very effective SVG play).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TudjAGeG9Ug
From 1:00 to 1:15



It's almost impossible to not let these guys work together. The coach is just a dunce and can't do it.

 

Fire him, and watch how long it takes for multiple teams to break down his door to try and snag him off the free agent market.

It would be like the Dwight Howard Summer courtship except teams don't need cap space to pursue him.

Morey isn't going anywhere for awhile. All you can ask of your GM is to put a team together that -

A. Has at least one if not two superstars on your roster that can help both be relevant, sell tickets, and get the team national exposure - Check
B. Has enough talent to be a perennial 50+ win team that is going to constantly get in the playoffs - check
C. Has the talent to compete in the playoffs - check
D. Makes sound financial decisions - check
E. Has a good draft track record- check
F. Has a good trade record - check
G. Has a good report with players and coaches - check
H. Has a good report with other GM's, agents, FO officials, and folks around the league - ? but I think that's also a check
I. Suggests the right coach for the OWNER to hire - Adelman- Check, McHale - fail, but it was ultimately Les' decision and that is well documented.

I really don't see any reason to fire Morey because of McHale quite honestly. Les was the ultimate decision maker for the hire, and has to share some of the responsibility. As for the development of their young talent.. I think Morey has put good people in the organization to maximize that talent(they hired freaking Hakeem for crying out loud).

I also dont see any reason to fire Morey because the team was un-prepared for the playoffs this year, and has defensive issues. Its also well documented that Morey insisted on Sampson, or someone of that stature be hired to be the defensive specialist so obviously this isn't something Morey was oblivious to.

-Morey stays, but Les will surely make a statement to him after this Summer (assuming they fire McHale) that he better get it right this time with his coaching selections, and he better bring in solid surrounding pieces around Harden and Howard now that cover up for their weaknesses. I think Les instructs Morey to expedite the process for acquiring role players even if it costs them trading draft picks, and some young talent to get those extra pieces.

2 years from now, whatever comes of the coaching hire & the surrounding pieces will ultimately either seal Morey's tenure for the long haul or at that point put him in question for the future.

 

It's not about patience...it's about common sense. Who is available that would be a better GM than Morey, who is one of the best? His moves are always two things:

1) Freaking brilliant; or

2) Not so hot but NEVER LONG TERM FAILURES.

Please keep up with the other GMs of the other 29 teams. Almost all are completely inept compared to Morey. It isn't like we have these obviously better choices sitting there and we go, no fire Morey, I want _____. Talk about knee jerk to get rid of a great asset with nothing else tee'd up. Change for the sake of change is stupid.

Morey is the guy who came in and started with a shiet team, but instead of the results of most other crap teams, he's turned us into a contender WITHOUT TANKING. You guys do realize that there are 30 teams in the nba and only one wins each yr, right? And that everything is heavily superstar dependent, right? I can't believe the metric we use to decide on firing or keeping a GM is not the actual moves he has made (which can be judge, in their entirety, preferably WITHOUT hindsight bias), RELATIVE to all his peers (we don't judge in a vacuum, we have to judge with fair comparison in mind), with a viable alternative in mind...but rather whether we've won a ring or not. You know how many factors go into that?

Bashing Morey for hiring McHale is fair though. I've never been a fan of McHale...though McHale was brought on as a rebuilding coach (similar to Lin as a rebuilding player)...and we just happened to have skipped rebuilding (Morey didn't know he'd get Harden at the time). As such, we've been stuck with these money commitments that Morey would not otherwise have sought. As it is a coach on contract and a player with a history and large fanbase + $$$, I wouldn't be surprised if Les is the one saying he'd prefer to keep them, i.e., it's his money.

These "mistakes" by Morey, regardless of intent, at least aren't terrible (compared to most teams), but aren't as easily rectified as I've come to expect any Morey mistake to be, so judging him on that is fair. But does that mean he should be fired or even on the hot seat NOW? eh...

 

Hey Champ, maybe take a few plays off? Because you seem to have forgotten the circumstances surrounding all of these moves.

It's definitely true that not trying harder to bring back Dragic was a mistake, but you have to wonder how much coaching has played into Goran's breakout. Let's not forget that Lin and Dragic were extremely similar players last year; their statistical profiles were virtually identical, with Jeremy shooting slightly better from 3, and Dragic getting an additional assist per game. A year later, and Lin looks misplaced on the bench, while Dragic is the MIP under the runner-up to COY.

The Nic Batum trade ended up getting the Rockets Ron Artest. I don't know about you, but I'd make that deal all over again, otherwise the Rockets would be riding a 17 year drought for playoff series wins. Sure it didn't end up working out, but that 2009 team had a chance to win it all until injuries consumed the team.

Many teams give up 1st rounders for busts. Sure it wasn't a great trade, but every GM makes mistakes.

There was no way to sign Dwight without giving up Patterson (and eventually Thomas Robinson), unless you wanted to give up Jones and Motiejunas, and I think it's pretty safe to say that TJ is the better prospect, with more years on his rookie deal. Unless you believe that Patterson would have pushed the Rockets past the Thunder last year, the eventual return for the move (2 2nd rounders, 2 Euro-prospects, one of them quite promising), was arguably better than what the Sixers got for Spencer Hawes' career year (2 2nd rounders), or the Bulls got for Luol Deng (lottery protected swap rights, unlikely to convey, a protected Philadelphia 1st rounder that is almost certainly going to be a 2nd rounder, and 2 2nd rounders). Seems to me that Morey got excellent return for a guy that was a throw-in for a Rudy Gay salary dump 10 months after Sacramento acquired him.

The Asik and Lin contracts were necessary to sign them away from their respective teams. Without them on the team, the Rockets don't make the playoffs, and Dwight doesn't sign in Houston. Again, the presence of their contracts hasn't prevented Daryl from making a single move, as far as we know, and they're both expiring next year anyway. Arguably, mid-sized expiring contracts increase trade flexibility, otherwise it becomes impossible to properly match salaries in trades.

Are we talking about the same Rick Adelman that was just forced into retirement by the Timberwolves after 3 seasons where he couldn't post a winning record, and somehow led a team to the 10th-best point differential and a sub-.500 record on the basis of historically awful clutch play and winning in close situations? This is the guy who would have turned all of the Rocket's fortunes around?

Look, it's extremely easy to say that something doesn't, or won't ever win a championship, until it actually does. No one could beat the Celtics in a game 7 at home, until the Sixers did it in '82. No one could win with only one superstar, until the Rockets did it in '93. No one could win with no superstars, until Detroit in '03. No one could win without building chemistry for years, until the Celtics in '08. No one could win without the best player in the playoffs, until Dallas in 2011. No one could win with Phoenix-style small-ball, until the Heat in 2012-13.

Odds are, that "Morey-ball" doesn't win a championship. Neither did Sloan-ball, Barkley-ball, or Riley-ball in the '90s. Pretty much, unless you have signed the Lakers' deal with the devil to be successful across 50+ years, multiple HOFs, coaches and lucky breaks, there's no magic formula for winning. It's just a matter of putting yourself in the position to get lucky.

 

they guy took over what was a roster with two injury proned stars and terrible contracts and turned into what could have been a legit championship team through shrewd moves and proper drafting in the 2009 season - but injuries to Yao, McGrady killed those chances (losing Deke hurt a lot too) - but that team if healthy was better than the lakers team that won it all that year.

Being hampered with the massive dead weight contract of Yao's made it near impossible to have the team be successfull (look at what happened to the Lakers this year) yet the team didn't dip below .500 and played hard.

He finally gets two superstars and you want to fire him before they had more than 1 season together?

Sure he had made some questionable moves - but Morey has been one of the best GMs over the last decade - Injuries more than anything hurt this team and its ability to do well.

Now if he fires McHale only to hire Vinny Del Negro I may have to change my mind